Fang Shen Do

[GreenHornet]

thanks.
I remember Sifu Scott calling me a clown for saying that the fight occured in a little place in montreal located on te second floor of a chinese restaurent. Well if it has anything to do with WECF I was not wrong. I know the place and maybe I could give it a quick check up...

[Askari]

The WECF is called the and is owned by a guy named Fernand Morneau.

Here is a link to the type of tournament that he holds.
La nuit des champions

[GreenHornet]

wow
if they claimed that was MMA, then no doubt about it... they have no idea what is MMA!
there is only one word to describe those pics: crapastic!
http://www.ultimefanatic.com/Soirees...pions2-226.jpg
http://www.ultimefanatic.com/Soirees...pions2-220.jpg
http://www.ultimefanatic.com/Soirees...pions2-241.jpg
http://www.ultimefanatic.com/Soirees...pions2-247.jpg

[It is Fake]

Please translate the article. If this is what they were talking about I want to see the rules.

[Askari]

You mean picks like this?

[GreenHornet]

it is fake: they don't talk about the rules in the article, its just a description of the night, but as you can see it is very amateurish.

Askari: this is one of the worst guard Ive seen in my short experience of grappling.

[TheDingo]

I've seen the newsclippings up on the wall of his school and they didn't look fake to me. :) I can't qualify on how good the fight was since I never saw it, or at what level the competition was. But he did win (unless the newspaper was lying...).

So that's not saying much, other than there was a fight and he did win. :) I have no doubt of that.

Calling people liars without substantiation is a dangerous thing -- but so is believing everything you see, hear and read (call me a critical thinker sometimes prone to over-enthusiam).

I quit FSD a week and a half ago -- personal reasons which I won't go into here (atleast not entirely).

Trained in Sifu Hill's school and must say he is a decent fellow. I departed under friendly terms even before my contract was up for renewal, so I have nothing bad to say about that. I have nothing personally negative to say about the guy (he was never a jerk, a liar or a braggart to me, never used excessive force, or made me smell anything).

I have a few comments about how the school is run, and a lot of criticism about the style itself, the teaching, and the techniques.

Of course, I wasn't the optimal student (for a while my attendence became erratic due to back problems and a new-bundle-of-joy who likes to scream at varying times throughout the night).

My criticisms about how the school is run, can be seen as the eye-of-the-beholder. The things I didn't like, but be what some people are looking for. I like my training more organized, especially for the cost.

As for FSD as an entity onto itself, I would recommend staying away and finding something else.

Unless a lot of the BS gets cleaned up at the upper echelons I doubt I would go back. Reading sJP's statement on the cover of the 2006 FSD calendar made me really wary (about having mastered many forms of martial arts, but never telling us which ones they were.... I'll do dig it up so I can throw some quotes around). Heck even the web site has a "spam" look and feel. *shudder*

It's all like some late night info-mercial. Like the fake-hair-in-a-can which tries to be the real thing. This is my perception of how FSD presents itself.

Sifu No BS's posts here on Bullshido made me twitch. Jeez, get a grip. During my departure meeting, I mentioned that Sifu No BS's comments was a small part in my leaving (small, because I had already made up my mind, but man, did it reinforce my decision). If he only posted like a mature adult, I may have stuck around for a brief time longer (though I still think leaving was a good idea).

[madmax]

They are not what they appear to be

I've seen the newsclippings up on the wall of his school and they didn't look fake to me. :) I can't qualify on how good the fight was since I never saw it, or at what level the competition was. But he did win (unless the newspaper was lying...).

So that's not saying much, other than there was a fight and he did win. :) I have no doubt of that.

Calling people liars without substantiation is a dangerous thing -- but so is believing everything you see, hear and read (call me a critical thinker sometimes prone to over-enthusiam).

I quit FSD a week and a half ago -- personal reasons which I won't go into here (atleast not entirely).

Trained in Sifu Hill's school and must say he is a decent fellow. I departed under friendly terms even before my contract was up for renewal, so I have nothing bad to say about that. I have nothing personally negative to say about the guy (he was never a jerk, a liar or a braggart to me, never used excessive force, or made me smell anything).

I have a few comments about how the school is run, and a lot of criticism about the style itself, the teaching, and the techniques.

Of course, I wasn't the optimal student (for a while my attendence became erratic due to back problems and a new-bundle-of-joy who likes to scream at varying times throughout the night).

My criticisms about how the school is run, can be seen as the eye-of-the-beholder. The things I didn't like, but be what some people are looking for. I like my training more organized, especially for the cost.

As for FSD as an entity onto itself, I would recommend staying away and finding something else.

Unless a lot of the BS gets cleaned up at the upper echelons I doubt I would go back. Reading sJP's statement on the cover of the 2006 FSD calendar made me really wary (about having mastered many forms of martial arts, but never telling us which ones they were.... I'll do dig it up so I can throw some quotes around). Heck even the web site has a "spam" look and feel. *shudder*

It's all like some late night info-mercial. Like the fake-hair-in-a-can which tries to be the real thing. This is my perception of how FSD presents itself.

Sifu No BS's posts here on Bullshido made me twitch. Jeez, get a grip. During my departure meeting, I mentioned that Sifu No BS's comments was a small part in my leaving (small, because I had already made up my mind, but man, did it reinforce my decision). If he only posted like a mature adult, I may have stuck around for a brief time longer (though I still think leaving was a good idea).

I agree that Scott is a nice guy on the surface. But remember, he was part of the goon squad that sJP sent out to threaten Brian Dean and his members. Oh, and Sifunobs (SP) is also a nice guy.... Until you disagree with him. He too is part of the goon squad.

[BoardHitBack]

I've seen the newsclippings up on the wall of his school and they didn't look fake to me. :) I can't qualify on how good the fight was since I never saw it, or at what level the competition was. But he did win (unless the newspaper was lying...).

Originally both FSD students won their fights, and the newspaper clippings was said to confirm both victories.

Sifu No BS's posts here on Bullshido made me twitch. Jeez, get a grip. During my departure meeting, I mentioned that Sifu No BS's comments was a small part in my leaving (small, because I had already made up my mind, but man, did it reinforce my decision). If he only posted like a mature adult, I may have stuck around for a brief time longer (though I still think leaving was a good idea).

How they react to that? And who was Sifu No BS? I don't remember seeing one..but hey we had a lot of people chip in over the last 115 or so pages so that isn't too surprising.

Thanx for posting. Congrats on the bundle of joy, and I hope you can get to train somewhere quality, at least once your sleep pattern returns to normal.

[GreenHornet]

remember it is the sifu that claimed that the article were talking about their victory, we still havn't seen those. the students who came here and claimed that the fight were real based themselves on a poster, but I don't recall any of them saying they had read any article.
the burden of proof is still in the FSD camp.

about Scott H. or any Sifu that are supposed to be nice person: this does not make them great teachers. Of course if I train with a Muay Thai instructor and that the guy is a dick, no matter how good he is, it will not help me to learn. However, if you train with the most kind guy on earth, but that this guy is teaching you crap, what's the point? you are still learning crap.
I think something is often forgotten in this thread and in MA in general: necessary and sufficient. It is necessary that your instructor has good knowledge of MA, but it is not sufficient. It is sufficient that the STUDENTS are good to make a good MA school.
I don't care if sifu x is the best martial artist in the world, if he can not make ME a good martial artist, then I have no time to waste with him. there is a difference between a good fighter and a good teacher. The first can be considered necessary to the second, but not sufficient.
The most funny thing when this type of argument is brought is that FSD ppl will say:"well I remember you, you were not motivated enough, you did not train properly..." But when you were training with them you had every chance to become the next black belt. No joke when I was Blue belt my sifu approched me saying: " you know I estimate that you will be a Black belt in X months." Following by: " you should really think joining BBC to make your training more advanced."

memories :)

[Askari]

During my departure meeting

You had a departure meeting? What the hell is that?

I mentioned that Sifu No BS's comments was a small part in my leaving

And TheDingo, what was there reaction to you reading Bullshido?

I don't care if sifu x is the best martial artist in the world, if he can not make ME a good martial artist, then I have no time to waste with him. there is a difference between a good fighter and a good teacher. The first can be considered necessary to the second, but not sufficient.

Amen to that! GreenHornet, you do good work!

[GreenHornet]

Heh I guess philosophical and logic studies are paying off. Viva La rational thinking!

[TheDingo]

You had a departure meeting? What the hell is that?

And TheDingo, what was there reaction to you reading Bullshido?

Well, a departure meeting is where I showed up in plain clothes (just before class) and told him I wanted to quit, to see his reaction and what would happen.

The reaction to reading Bullshido, was that there was a lack of surprise that people have been reading it and some may have been leaving FSD because of it.

[TheDingo]

I agree that Scott is a nice guy on the surface. But remember, he was part of the goon squad that sJP sent out to threaten Brian Dean and his members. Oh, and Sifunobs (SP) is also a nice guy.... Until you disagree with him. He too is part of the goon squad.

May be true, but I don't know that. I'll treat it as heresay, for the time being. Hill's actions towards me were respectful in person, outside of that I can't comment.

[TKD Black Belt]

Well, a departure meeting is where I showed up in plain clothes (just before class) and told him I wanted to quit, to see his reaction and what would happen.

The reaction to reading Bullshido, was that there was a lack of surprise that people have been reading it and some may have been leaving FSD because of it.

Hmmm, I smell something.......

TKD

Walks like a duck, talks like a duck, but man ducks can't fight!