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**TKD Black Belt** · 4/20/2006 1:31pm,

Originally posted by Slug

Straight Blast should ONLY be used AFTER the opponents head is 'knocked' back or he has taken a shot he needs to deal with. As an openning techinque it can be jammed or countered. Also people not understanding this tend to launch it way to prematurely at the wrong distance.

I don't nessesarily disagree with you but I doubt very much that Fang Shen Do had this in mind when they described that technique. See once again we run into a HUGE PROBLEM with Fang Shen Do. When you practice the deadly technique in the gym with people who are convinced that these will work the reactions of your oppoenent and yourself are skewed towards the assumed outcome.

I would be willing to put my house and car on the line that you'd never catch Wanderlei with that technique again. He most likely spent the next few months in Brazil adapting his technique to deal with a repeat. This is what Askari was talking about when he said '...failure leads to success...' this is where SokeJP fails his students. For all we know SokeJP may be onto something but the lack of desire to try it out sort of ruins the whole thing.

TKD:karated:

You think SokeJP likes the link?

**Stringfellow** · 4/20/2006 1:41pm,

Earlier (waaaaaay back - don't ask me to find it) I spoke of an experience I had at a BBC meeting where JP didn't like someone's look and basically called the out for it. I shared it because I thought it was indicative of his nature but figured that it was an isolated incident. That is, until I had a chance to speak to someone quite close to JP and heard a new story (which this person says was told to him by JP himself).

The story goes that about three years ago, JP was invited to Bell Canada's offices in Toronto to do a corporate version of the "focus on results" (aka arrow-breaking) seminar. I was told that between 200 and 300 people were involved (though that might have been broken up into groups). Well, I guess he was on stage doing his pontificating thing (this is really hard to describe for anyone who hasn't witnessed it first-hand, but the best I can do is say that it's like walking into a Twilight Zone episode where suddenly everyone seems to speak English, but it's all in short little catch-phrases that make no sense when strung together). Anyway, he's doing his thing and I guess some woman in the audience is giving him the evil eye. Well, he gets all offended and loses it on her for a few minutes and then gets back to the seminar (I'm sure everyone is just super-jazzed after that). In the end, the woman turned out to be someone fairly high up in the organization, high enough that she was able to hold on to his payment for about 2 months.

So apparently, he loses his temper quite easily. Odd, for someone who is so highly trained, no?

As an aside, the timeframe seems to fit with other similar ventures into the corporate environment. I remember seeing a thank-you letter posted up on the wall of the downtown school from some government department for something similar. I'm guessing that it was an experiment that didn't pan out.

**madmax** · 4/20/2006 2:27pm,

Originally posted by Stringfellow

Earlier (waaaaaay back - don't ask me to find it) I spoke of an experience I had at a BBC meeting where JP didn't like someone's look and basically called the out for it. I shared it because I thought it was indicative of his nature but figured that it was an isolated incident. That is, until I had a chance to speak to someone quite close to JP and heard a new story (which this person says was told to him by JP himself).

The story goes that about three years ago, JP was invited to Bell Canada's offices in Toronto to do a corporate version of the "focus on results" (aka arrow-breaking) seminar. I was told that between 200 and 300 people were involved (though that might have been broken up into groups). Well, I guess he was on stage doing his pontificating thing (this is really hard to describe for anyone who hasn't witnessed it first-hand, but the best I can do is say that it's like walking into a Twilight Zone episode where suddenly everyone seems to speak English, but it's all in short little catch-phrases that make no sense when strung together). Anyway, he's doing his thing and I guess some woman in the audience is giving him the evil eye. Well, he gets all offended and loses it on her for a few minutes and then gets back to the seminar (I'm sure everyone is just super-jazzed after that). In the end, the woman turned out to be someone fairly high up in the organization, high enough that she was able to hold on to his payment for about 2 months.

So apparently, he loses his temper quite easily. Odd, for someone who is so highly trained, no?

As an aside, the timeframe seems to fit with other similar ventures into the corporate environment. I remember seeing a thank-you letter posted up on the wall of the downtown school from some government department for something similar. I'm guessing that it was an experiment that didn't pan out.

What do you expect? sJPs insecure (little man syndrome). Probably one of his brainwashed shit sniffing follower set up the seminar. Not sure how a pathetic arrow breaking stunt can motivate you ? Give me a break, the tip is rounded, the arrow is wood with a lot of flex. I performed the stunt in front of my brother in law. He looked at the arrow, saw the rounded tip, put it in his throat and broke the arrow. I could have saved my money and attended the dog shit sniffing seminar instead.

**Askari** · 4/20/2006 2:39pm,

Chapters website

A while ago the "Fang Shen Do Training Guide" was for sale on chapters.ca. However now when I search for the book it is not there.

So I wandered into the downtown Chapters, and low and behold its no-longer on the shelves, I swear there were a half-dozen copies there a few weeks ago.

Wonder what happened? Perhaps the Bullshido effect is spreading.

:5dragon:

**PeterPantsless** · 4/20/2006 2:47pm,

Movie Madness

After all that has been said here, and with the F4N6 5H3N D0 movie coming out, I think JP needs to consider some script changes. Although I have not seen the script, I'm quite confident that some key elements have been left out.

We need to see the dog shit sniffing scene! That will be a pivotal point in the film! The hero teaching people to sniff shit. WOW! It needs not one, not two, but three heart attack closes. Any less is just not realistic. I think Jp's character should be thrown into fits of rage, throughout the film, from little things like a broken yolk at breakfast. Think "Angry Dad". The end scene should be the 6randmast3r, single handidly defeating multiple stylists from MT, Sambo, BJJ, Wrestling, Boxing, Judo, TKD, JKD, and Karate. Then, while standing over the mountain of corpses of those lesser stylists, JP breaks an arrow on his throat and says, "I make humanity advance. I kick butt so people can reap some kind of success , that's my job. "

Roll Credits.

Oh, and I think JP should be played by Gilbert Godfrey.

**Askari** · 4/20/2006 2:54pm,

What about Gilbert Gottfried instead?

***DerAuslander*** · 4/20/2006 2:56pm,

I love that man.

**PeterPantsless** · 4/20/2006 3:13pm,

Even though I spelled his name wrong, you cannot deny that he would be perfect for the role of SEEJOE. I believe he has the perfect amount of MA experience to pull it off.

**Macte** · 4/20/2006 3:34pm,

WOW

Well....
All Ive got to say is that I am totally blown away...Stringfellow..that took courage...all I have to say about the issues re FSD or Patenaude Kung Fu......is KARMA...years and years of bad karma........there are literally hundreds of "little boys and girls" whom have had bad experiences with this group..you all have no idea how many lives have been affected and money lost forever....I mean..it`s a trip that was bound to end someday....
The sad thing is that there are many lost souls..whom have had this group totally affect thier lives in ways that you have no idea.....
KARMA..thats what it is all about....its been a long time coming too...a long time.
Kudos....some of you may find this funny but I am willing to bet there are many whom have read this board...and posts and are very AFRAID to write anything for fear of retribution....threats are threats no matter how idle they may be.
I know people whom have actually had nightmares over this topic etc....do not let it die..it needs light...it appears as though Ottawa has had enough..
Nuff said....

**PeterPantsless** · 4/20/2006 3:39pm,

Macte. Tell us more. What is your affiliation with FSD?

**TKD Black Belt** · 4/20/2006 3:49pm,

I'm sorry I think this guy would do a better job of SeeJoe!

After all SokeJP would be upset if we didn't have a truly gifted actor playing the part.

TKD:karated:

Fang Shen Do sponsored by :ky: and SokeJP's HomePage

**Macte** · 4/20/2006 3:49pm,

None..

None at all..I know many of the students though...years and years of all of this mess...some refuse to even talk about it at all....
I know several whom went to other teachers around the world...Gracies, Inosanto and Vunak, Thailand as well.....it woke them up big time....one has had to go to counselling over it..all of the money and.... fear over retribution for opening up his own Wing Chun school...if any of them knew about this board they would fall over...Peace.

**Cdnronin** · 4/20/2006 3:51pm,

Originally posted by Macte

Well....
All Ive got to say is that I am totally blown away...Stringfellow..that took courage...all I have to say about the issues re FSD or Patenaude Kung Fu......is KARMA...years and years of bad karma........there are literally hundreds of "little boys and girls" whom have had bad experiences with this group..you all have no idea how many lives have been affected and money lost forever....I mean..it`s a trip that was bound to end someday....
The sad thing is that there are many lost souls..whom have had this group totally affect thier lives in ways that you have no idea.....
KARMA..thats what it is all about....its been a long time coming too...a long time.
Kudos....some of you may find this funny but I am willing to bet there are many whom have read this board...and posts and are very AFRAID to write anything for fear of retribution....threats are threats no matter how idle they may be.
I know people whom have actually had nightmares over this topic etc....do not let it die..it needs light...it appears as though Ottawa has had enough..
Nuff said....

Awesome first post. But I must disagree with one thing "Nuff said." If this is to continue, we need more people providing their experiences with FSD.

**BoardHitBack** · 4/20/2006 3:54pm,

Originally posted by Macte

None at all..I know many of the students though...years and years of all of this mess...some refuse to even talk about it at all....
I know several whom went to other teachers around the world...Gracies, Inosanto and Vunak, Thailand as well.....it woke them up big time....one has had to go to counselling over it..all of the money and.... fear over retribution for opening up his own Wing Chun school...if any of them knew about this board they would fall over...Peace.

Show it to them. We would welcome their FSD experiences. When good men do nothing, and all that jazz.

**Macte** · 4/20/2006 3:57pm,

I will....

I have already been trying to ....this is crazy..They are all over Ottawa and the world...I cannot believe it....
I am in shock this has finally come out in the open...its been 20 years in the making..
Peace.

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