Fang Shen Do

[TKD Black Belt]

Please note: someone from an Inosanto seminar spoke of a 'close' from a Fang Shen Do where they taught people to have a fake heart attack and when the 'opponent' bent over to see if you were okay...you sucker punched him. Now why didnt they think of that in UFC? :) What next ? bite his lip when he trys to give you mouth to mouth?

Holy crap is that funny!

Hey Kip, I take what I said back. YOu can come an enlighten us with these tidbits of wisdom anytime you want :ninja2:

Actually I think Phil Baroni tried this in his fight against Evan Tanner. Except instead of Evan stopping to check on him and falling for it, BJM got the punch.

TKD

Fang Shen Do; a black eye on the gold sash of the ghey community!

[PeterPantsless]

Jesus! I totally forgot about the "Heart Attack Close". They actually do teach it. I remember the first day I saw it, me and a couple other students were looking at each other, wondering if this was a joke or not. Funiest thing I have ever seen.

The only thing deadlier, is faking the heart attack, and then when your opponent drops his guard, slam him in the face with a bucket of dog shit!

[Slug]

Jesus! I totally forgot about the "Heart Attack Close". They actually do teach it. I remember the first day I saw it, me and a couple other students were looking at each other, wondering if this was a joke or not. Funiest thing I have ever seen.

The only thing deadlier, is faking the heart attack, and then when your opponent drops his guard, slam him in the face with a bucket of dog shit!

So it is TRUE???? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha....cough...cough ...accck (heart attack)


Slug :)

[GreenHornet]

yeah I remember it too... I always wondered if I was the only one who found that turning your back at your opponent was a little dangerous in a street fight, plus you would have to knock someone who would be ready to come and help you instead of fighting you. Way to not look like an agressor...

[It is Fake]

Hey,

Gerry Mansfield=shadow beast=Brian (Pauquett, Packut???)

Look here since he asked:

you like having a quote from me in your sig huh you little bitch.

yeah, you can post this up just like greenhornet did, cause your all the same at this site, a bunch of lemmings who follow each other, one guy says BJJ rox! then the rest go omfg bjj rox! then you all worship BJJ.

but it doesnt work that way with fsd, nope, not at all, but you wouldnt understand now wouldnt you, little fellow.

I don't post PMs but, since you made the request, this is the first cause you are a dick. Well with the extra 70lbs you probably ate a few dicks.

[Slug]

Heart Felt Defence :)

yeah I remember it too... I always wondered if I was the only one who found that turning your back at your opponent was a little dangerous in a street fight, plus you would have to knock someone who would be ready to come and help you instead of fighting you. Way to not look like an agressor...

Well look on the bright side, perhaps your opponent only wanted to beat you up a just 'little'?. It is a well known fact (according to FSD it seems) that assailants would extend a 'courtesy' to verify your state of health and well being in-between pummeling the shit out of you.

FSD would teach us that his adrenaline dump is in no way going to affect his judgement enough not to check up on you rather then keep wailing away until your brain is a bloody pulp.

Now, Are you suppossed to sucker punch in between boots to the head?... or after?... or do you sign up for crazy midnight tuesday sessions?

It must be nice in FSD land... far removed from everday reality... lets all close our eyes and go to this happy place shall we?, with magic sifu's and super secret clubs, super cute puppy dogs, breaking blunt practise arrows on our throats (see Anythony Robbins)...no questioning the Grand Master...no doubts... as long as your check book is in good shape :)

Slug

[TKD Black Belt]

Oh wait, would this be a definitive example of why not to do FSD?

TKD:karated:

[Askari]

DeMotivational Poster

You know what this thread needs?

A DeMotivational Poster:

[TKD Black Belt]

'L'eau de Patenaude' would be more like it!

TKD:karated:

Seriously do my hands stink?

[madmax]

True, true, true

Shadow Beat Off,

Didn't you say you were outta shape gained like 70 pounds and gave up on MA?

Are you in fact not Brian (Pauquett, Packut???) trying to squeeze some info from the posters? or one of his flunkies?

Come down to Cali (los Angles) and visit a school with someone that actually spent time with Bruce Lee (Inosanto, Poteet, Daniel Lee, Bustillio etc) or a Gracie. FSD seems to be for people that throw a few chung chois and 'feel' empowered. Straight blasting may have been a big deal 20 years ago but you better know WTF to do when you cant pull it off.

Crap, you can even visit Tim Tacketts wednesday night group for free with Tim Bob Bremer and Jim Sewell all at the same place.

Acting tough and intimidation will only work pending that person is scared anyway, you dont need fang shen do secret #3 for that.

Or is everyone up there too busy circle jerking about how formidable FSD is and that nothing else matters?

Do yourself a favor... pull your pants up, your embaressing yourself and your 'members' are showing


Slug

Please note: Someone from an Inosanto seminar (back in 93) spoke of a 'close' from Modern Wing Chun/Fang Shen Do told Dan, that the Pateneaudes, actually taught people to pretend to have a heart attack in a fight. When the 'opponent' bent over to express his concern that you may actually be dying, you then sucker punched him!. Dan appeared like he was trying to comprehend if he was seriuos and not joking, and simply commented ..."Oh Really?..interesting...heart attack huhn?"

I hear this is on one of the tapes? can someone confrim? better yet post a clip? :)

Now why didnt they think of that in UFC? :) What next ? bite his lip/tongue when he trys to give you mouth to mouth?

Heart attack close is true. It's one of the "closes" in FSD. Sad thing is, JP did not invent it. It came from Jim Clarke one of Demile's head instructor. Remember, JP has no original ideas. They're all permanently borrowed.... But entirely HIS OWN.

[GreenHornet]

geez so I guess it makes it worst...

[Askari]

To be completely fair to Mr. Scott Hill and to have a completely balanced examination of Fang Shen Do, I am at this point convinced that he did indeed fight a full contact fight against an individual who eventually became an MMA fighter. This guy is named Marc Cambier. Cambier fought in MMA about a year after fighting Scott Hill in a Full Contact match. I think the confusion results from the fact that many people do not know what MMA is. These people assume that simply because they are fighting a person from another style in a full contact environment it is automatically MMA.

I strongly suspect that Hill would have continued to real sanctioned MMA if sJP would have allowed it. The thing is, if you fight enough real MMA matches you will eventually loose. This a respected and known part of the equation. For example Randy Couture recently retired with a 14-8 record, and is considered one of the recent greats.

I dont think sJP can understand this, or accept that loosing wouldn't some how make him and his art look bad. The opposite is in fact the truth, stepping up to the plate is what gets respect. Oppening the doors to possibly loosing and learning from the experience is what allows growth as a fighter and a martial artist.

I respect that Hill did fight full contact even though his patron would have been against it. This says something about him that is positive.

Now before you think I am going soft, the link died to my demotivational poster. This should fix that.

I give you again: Fang Shen Don't

[TKD Black Belt]

To be completely fair to Mr. Scott Hill and to have a completely balanced examination of Fang Shen Do, I am at this point convinced that he did indeed fight a full contact fight against an individual who eventually became an MMA fighter.

- Wait, I once played a game of touch football against an All American linebacker. Does this mean I get some sort of cudos in the football world? I've also trained with the Western Canadian Taekwon-Do patterns grand champion. Now I trained with him before he won so I guess I get some of the credit for RayRay making it big time!

This guy is named Marc Cambier. Cambier fought in MMA about a year after fighting Scott Hill in a Full Contact match. I think the confusion results from the fact that many people do not know what MMA is.

- You might be on to something here, if this was 10 years ago. Seriously you can't beg this off on people not knowing. People know what MMA is due not only to the positive press that exists but to the massive amount of negative press (Senator McCain anyone?). People know what MMA is, they may confuse the different associations (my neighbour still thinks I fought in the UFC and tells everyon ehe meets that) but he knows it wasn't 'full contact' patty cake!

These people assume that simply because they are fighting a person from another style in a full contact environment it is automatically MMA.

- Actually, not to argue semantics but that would be Mixed Martial Arts. Again, people know what MMA is they just don't understand the nuances that exist between associations and groups.

:gaygay:

TKD

"If I really wanted to look stupid I'd start wearing silk robes and doing Kung Fu" - Scooter

[Askari]

Wait, I once played a game of touch football against an All American linebacker. Does this mean I get some sort of cudos in the football world?

Only if it was on pros-vs-joes.

There are those out there that think Kickboxing is Mixed Martial Arts because some guys train Kickboxing and others Praying Mantis. Ok, so their stupid.

Here's the thing. Most of us posting on this thread (that is non-FSD) are in environments where competing (winning and loosing) is not only encouraged but almost down right mandatory.

Imagine being in an environment where it is completely discouraged? Yuck, how can you have any fun. But then again that environment lends itself to easily becoming blind to its own limitations.

I even remember a bullshido instructor telling me when I was a young'un that competing would "In the same way that a sword once used is now dull, so to will your ability be in a real fight after competition," So I went and competed, not liking the taste of Kool-Aid. Got my ass whomped and kept competing till I started to win.

[BoardHitBack]

Got my ass whomped and kept competing till I started to win.

That's what BS instructors don't want you to know. The truth is that's the only way to be good.