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**old1o1** · 4/19/2006 12:03pm,

Once again! JP has not ever, ever, ever, ever studied Wing Chun under anybody. The pretense of Wing Chun comes from Demile (Wing Chun Do/ The original FSD) which has nothing to do with Wing Chun. They took bits and pieces of Sil Leem Tao and murdered it with some kind of dynamic tension and heavy breathing. They use words like Pak, Tan, Phon, but they have no idea what they are talking about. ( If you think you know, FSD'ers, I be glad to enlighten you). They Chi Sao by "loading" forward and muscling everything they do.
Pick up the book by James Yimm Lee, who admits to learning "a little" Wing Chun from Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee was a junior Wing Chun practioner. Most of JP's Phon attacks???? come from this book.
JP has his BS and Amway way of business, coming around to bite him in the ass.
And yet this man, is making a fortune! Go figure!

Wing Chun Defence League
Don't make me slap you!

**It is Fake** · 4/19/2006 12:09pm,

Please read the whole thread. You will see it isn't a bash on WC it is a bash on JP.

This is the wrong site to try and defend WC.

**bummer** · 4/19/2006 12:31pm,

Regarding shadowbeast's 24-4 sparring record...

I thought you didn't like sparring?

I still haven't figured you out but you're one fishy motherf*cker.

**Cdnronin** · 4/19/2006 12:43pm,

Originally posted by bummer

Regarding shadowbeast's 24-4 sparring record...

I thought you didn't like sparring?

I still haven't figured you out but you're one fishy motherf*cker.

A slippery motherfucker who has no problem signing up with FSD after reading this thread. Who has no problem in dealing with a sifu who tells a prospective customer all about a former student. Who gets confused as to what style it is he has a black belt in' karate, jiu jitsu, kung fu, it's all the same"

**Cdnronin** · 4/19/2006 12:50pm,

Originally posted by old1o1

Once again! JP has not ever, ever, ever, ever studied Wing Chun under anybody. The pretense of Wing Chun comes from Demile (Wing Chun Do/ The original FSD) which has nothing to do with Wing Chun. They took bits and pieces of Sil Leem Tao and murdered it with some kind of dynamic tension and heavy breathing. They use words like Pak, Tan, Phon, but they have no idea what they are talking about. ( If you think you know, FSD'ers, I be glad to enlighten you). They Chi Sao by "loading" forward and muscling everything they do.
Pick up the book by James Yimm Lee, who admits to learning "a little" Wing Chun from Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee was a junior Wing Chun practioner. Most of JP's Phon attacks???? come from this book.
JP has his BS and Amway way of business, coming around to bite him in the ass.
And yet this man, is making a fortune! Go figure!

Wing Chun Defence League
Don't make me slap you!

Sounds like you are quite familiar with JP's way of doing things. Are you are former student, or have you trained with former students of JP?

**It is Fake** · 4/19/2006 1:01pm,

Well, someone pointed out and made a good correlation, he seems like gerry mansfield.

This forum sucks, and so does its members.

tkd fakeblack belt, go fuck your self...

keep making fun of the real stuff, real forums like MAP, real MA's like fsd, stick to your SHITTY AS FUCKEN WORTHLESS BJJ, while i learn a real martial art to add to my arsenal.

fuck off.

Originally posted by shadow beast

Yes it is a fad, it pisses me off every time i see these half assed morons saying that someone who does BJJ can BEAT anyone in any fight, street or martial art.

that is not true, BJJ teaches how to fight on the ground, teaches how to wrestle, if a person is good, they wont end up on the ground, because they strike too fast, therefor BJJ ends up useless..

yeah yeah i know ill hear internet warriors saying "blah blah ill come kick your ass with my l337 wrastling skills!"

dont bother, keep it in the ufc, they like that ground hugging there.

Yeah, but you are here just to ask questions. Hmmmm.........I wonder why Sam said protect your IP.

**Cdnronin** · 4/19/2006 1:08pm,

My instructor was obsessed with training. Having trained with an original student of Bruce Lee, he was determined to keep the same level of physical realization as Bruce Lee did. He even went on to duplicating Lee's two-finger one arm push-ups as well as the strenuous, arms extended, thumbs push-ups.

When reproducing such acts of strength and endurance you acquire credibility and respect. When I first saw him do those push-ups it blew me away.

The above is from the link provided by madmax in post 760. it is nice that your instructor inspires you. Convenient that he skips mentioning the part that when he first saw his father do these pushups, Martin P would have been a toddler.
Can JP still do the two finger pushup? That would be impressive.

**shadow beast** · 4/19/2006 1:23pm,

Man you shitheads are still talking about me?

i see one of you even have a quote from me in your sig! i am flattered.

I could sit here and share a bunch of details about fsd, how my last few days were, ect ect.

but you guys dont need to know, keep thinking in your head that fsd is shit and do your BJJ, while i do a real martial art bitches.

:bowdown: now bow down fuckbags!

*slames door behind him*

**Cdnronin** · 4/19/2006 1:28pm,

Hmm shadow beast, you leaving again? it's like you got alzheimer or something.
Make once last huff, leave and be done with it.

**BoardHitBack** · 4/19/2006 1:28pm,

And he's back. You know FSD's a made-up martial art don't you shadow beast?

And sifu isn't qualified by anyone- unless you count qualifications he's bought.

Still keep coming back? Why do you bother.......if you are so sure you are right it doesn't matter what anyone else says.......right?

**Cdnronin** · 4/19/2006 1:29pm,

http://www.dragonslist.com/discussio...wing-chun.html

Interesting discussion on another board about FSD

**TKD Black Belt** · 4/19/2006 1:34pm,

Originally posted by shadow beast

Man you shitheads are still talking about me?

i see one of you even have a quote from me in your sig! i am flattered.

I could sit here and share a bunch of details about fsd, how my last few days were, ect ect.

but you guys dont need to know, keep thinking in your head that fsd is shit and do your BJJ, while i do a real martial art bitches.

now bow down fuckbags!

*slames door behind him*

Fuck you're harder to get rid of than those people who sell Bibles door to door. Too bad you weren't closer, I enjoy playing with body builder's. The joy of a head and arm from my half guard would definately be fun. Plus without a ref (maybe we could ask Stringfellow or Green Hornet to ref) I might forget to let go till you're in happy sleepy town!

No listen, you've lied, you've misled and, you've claimed one thing and then demonstrated another. At these have the courage of your resolve to walk away like you said you were. Go on, there's the door. You can use it.

old101, the reason for bringing that up was to show how subtlety the Fang Shen Don't people have slipped themselves into positions that would appear to lend credibility to sJP and company. Although I do find Wing Chun to be a bit silly I think FSD has its head burried so far up it's own ass that WC is safe, for now.

TKD:karated:

More fun than a poo sniffing, wood cutting, arrow breaking weekend at Sokemon's!

**It is Fake** · 4/19/2006 1:45pm,

Sure did quote you in my sig. It fits, you lie and deny but every time you slip you let a little info out. This is what ruined TMA in my opnion. Instead of training to be better, people like you, lied to be better.

Now it is starting to bite, people like you, in the ass.

**Slug** · 4/19/2006 1:46pm,

Shadow Beat Off,

Didn't you say you were outta shape gained like 70 pounds and gave up on MA?

Are you in fact not Brian (Pauquett, Packut???) trying to squeeze some info from the posters? or one of his flunkies?

Come down to Cali (los Angles) and visit a school with someone that actually spent time with Bruce Lee (Inosanto, Poteet, Daniel Lee, Bustillio etc) or a Gracie. FSD seems to be for people that throw a few chung chois and 'feel' empowered. Straight blasting may have been a big deal 20 years ago but you better know WTF to do when you cant pull it off.

Crap, you can even visit Tim Tacketts wednesday night group for free with Tim Bob Bremer and Jim Sewell all at the same place.

Acting tough and intimidation will only work pending that person is scared anyway, you dont need fang shen do secret #3 for that.

Or is everyone up there too busy circle jerking about how formidable FSD is and that nothing else matters?

Do yourself a favor... pull your pants up, your embaressing yourself and your 'members' are showing

Slug

Please note: Someone from an Inosanto seminar (back in 93) spoke of a 'close' from Modern Wing Chun/Fang Shen Do told Dan, that the Pateneaudes, actually taught people to pretend to have a heart attack in a fight. When the 'opponent' bent over to express his concern that you may actually be dying, you then sucker punched him!. Dan appeared like he was trying to comprehend if he was seriuos and not joking, and simply commented ..."Oh Really?..interesting...heart attack huhn?"

I hear this is on one of the tapes? can someone confrim? better yet post a clip? :)

Now why didnt they think of that in UFC? :) What next ? bite his lip/tongue when he trys to give you mouth to mouth?

**It is Fake** · 4/19/2006 1:47pm,

Sokemon is funny.

All I keeep hearing now is;

gotta fool em all
gotta fool em all

soke'mon.

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