Fang Shen Do

[GreenHornet]

just got PMed...

this shadow beast dude seems to be pretty pissed off by me and he send me a PM:
"Hey! theres my fellow montrealer!

the same guy who does not like to answer questions, "STOP ASKING FOR JUSTIFICATION!"

you could have easily added me to your msn to talk about the GOOD and bad of FSD, but instead you chose to blow me off.

but thats not why i am pm'ing you.

you took fang shen do for 5 years right? what school? i am going to the one in downtown montreal (near atwater)

i really wanted to talk to you about fsd, i would prefer on the phone or in person, but msn would be fine.

also, was it you that told me i should try H20? if so, i did try it, that little piece of shit welfare school has nothing on any other martial arts schools in montreal.

and just to let you know, although everyone ignores this, they dont charge for belt testing fee's or belts anymore (fsd) on my one year contract it says all belts and testing fee's are included up to brown belt, understandable.

i can go on and on, but i dont know how much i can put through a pm on this site, so if your not gonna dodge my questions like you were on the forum saying to stop asking for justification, it would be nice to talk on msn."

and 30 min later he send this:
"just what i thought, you cannot back up your claims, its ok, the sifu told me everything about you.

enjoy that shit school near peel you go to, gamma is it? they hate answering questions like you, i guess thats where you got it..

fucking pussy..

see you at gamma."

There's only one little problem dude I cannot reply to you since you don't have enough posts.
Anyway I just tough his messages could be entertainment...
BTW to all "ex-fsd member" or nutrider if you start send crap like that in my PM I will post them on the board so that everyone can see how stupid you are, so think twice :).
I mean its not like I go and PM fsd members and tell them how crappy fsd is, I got better things to do, you know like bringing constructive information...

[Askari]

Good Work GH, keep them on their heals.

and just to let you know, although everyone ignores this, they dont charge for belt testing fee's or belts anymore (fsd) on my one year contract it says all belts and testing fee's are included up to brown belt, understandable.

No belt testing fees, but you must attend the mandatory $500 weekender camp.

Oh and attend a series of weapons seminars, those to ar $60 to $80 each. Before you get to grade. Then its $250 for the grading fee. WHAT? A belt testing fee? Guess you missed that in your contract, it doesnt preclude grading fees or obligatory seminars.....



Hey, has anyone considered a class action suit against Fang Shen Do? They claimed to teach you a legitimate complete martial art, yet never lived up to their contract. I know that some have spent more then $10,000 with them, so if 10 or more of the ex-FSD'ers got together to sue, that could start to be real money.....


Edited to add: Shadow Beast obviously did not visit Gamma or H2O, two very highly respected MMA clubs in Montreal..

[GreenHornet]

to sue you would have to sign a contract in the first place which is not my case.
We heard ppl saying on the thread that they signed a contract but I never signed on any paper when starting or paying for a new year of instruction.

Plus suing demands a lot of time, effort and money and like a lot fsd like to remind us I must use that time to train.

[shadow beast]

Oh ok ill post again, why did you stop greenhornet? i wanna hear more.

second, i did try a class at H20, it is SHIT, in one single tiny room, and i went to see gamma, not a bad LOOKING place, but i hate the guy at the front desk, he hates answering questions.

now on to discussion.

like i said, my contract said all belt testing fee's are included up to brown, if it comes time for my white, yellow, blue, or green sash, and i am told i have to do a seminar or training camp, i will laugh and walk out.

but a serious question, how are the first few tests? say up to blue, forced training camp? gotta join the BBC? ect.

anyway, i asked you a few times green hornet i would really like to talk to you on msn, nothing to do with insults and such, just talk.

oh and askari, nice avatar.

[Cdnronin]

Originally from shadow beast:"just what i thought, you cannot back up your claims, its ok, the sifu told me everything about you."

You know, one thing that really makes a sifu appear courteous and professional is to tell a new student everything about a former student. it helps to build that bond and rapport, that says "this is someone I can trust, to help me work through my weaknesses, whatever they may be, because I know he will be discreet with the information."

In the article on FSD, one sifus justification for the cost of training was the amount of money the student supposedly makes, which the sifu posted on the thread. Here we have another sifu, blabbing to a new student, about a former student.

In my experience, being courteous, friendly and professional can help overcome many obstacles as a teacher/sifu learns the business of running a club and selling his services and building up a student base. What is it about FSD that makes it able to avoid these most basic tenets of business?

[shadow beast]

ugh man everyone stops just when its getting good!

-.-

carry on..

[GreenHornet]

up to blue you don't have to pay for seminars, but since Ive seen people getting their blue belt in one year... it does not really matter, once they got you good in the system they start making you pay for seminars. the requirements start at brown belt its true, but since you need lvl 1 weapon to do it you better start attending to the seminars at least at green belt, since the lvl1weapon is 3 seminars of 4 weeks each...
belt testing are included well not really because when I started fsd the price for a year subscription was something around 800$, but when the belt became "free" it was around 1200$. they are not giving you anything.

h20 and gamma are crap? now you are just stupid. Richard Ho is a ugc lightweight champ and a good teacher. who cares if its one tiny room like you said, if the instructor is competent it does not matter. Did you knew that Sjo himself started in a church basement, or so he liked to remind us that fact all the time.

phillipes gelinas is a dog bros. certified by dan insanto... HE , in contrast to the Patenaudes, has every right to proclaim to be one of the best martial artist in the world.

to finish I wont give you my email or msn because I feel that all that need to be discussed about FSD can be done here.

[Cassius]

second, i did try a class at H20, it is SHIT, in one single tiny room, and i went to see gamma, not a bad LOOKING place, but i hate the guy at the front desk, he hates answering questions.

This says nothing about the training.

In case you are curious, you are currently coming off as a raving lunatic incapable of posting a coherent thought. If you wish to be taken seriously, you might consider posting using some semblance of proper grammar and punctuation.

[shadow beast]

up to blue you don't have to pay for seminars, but since Ive seen people getting their blue belt in one year... it does not really matter, once they got you good in the system they start making you pay for seminars. the requirements start at brown belt its true, but since you need lvl 1 weapon to do it you better start attending to the seminars at least at green belt, since the lvl1weapon is 3 seminars of 4 weeks each...
belt testing are included well not really because when I started fsd the price for a year subscription was something around 800$, but when the belt became "free" it was around 1200$. they are not giving you anything.

h20 and gamma are crap? now you are just stupid. Richard Ho is a ugc lightweight champ and a good teacher. who cares if its one tiny room like you said, if the instructor is competent it does not matter. Did you knew that Sjo himself started in a church basement, or so he liked to remind us that fact all the time.

phillipes gelinas is a dog bros. certified by dan insanto... HE , in contrast to the Patenaudes, has every right to proclaim to be one of the best martial artist in the world.

to finish I wont give you my email or msn because I feel that all that need to be discussed about FSD can be done here.

thank you! for the love of god thats what i wanted!!!

Ok first of all, i am sorry about how i was talking, but whats wrong with friendly chat over msn? just wondering.

also, i did not like H20 because of the small room, and huge amount of people in that class, i could bearly move, i find richard is an amazing guy.

and, about gamma, well i like people who like to answer questions, and when i am being rushed out while i am asking questions, it gets annoying, and he was not busy.

but last thing i dont under stand.

a year to get blue belt? its white, yellow, blue, green, brown, black, red right? (besides the stripes)

i was told at first it is every month, 1 month to white, 1 month to yellow stripe, 1 month to yellow, ect, so that would mean like 6 months and your blue belt?

correct me if i am wrong.

thanks again

edit: sorry to the other useless poster, my english cant be as good as yours, i only wanted answers.

[TKD Black Belt]

but last thing i dont under stand.

a year to get blue belt? its white, yellow, blue, green, brown, black, red right? (besides the stripes)

i was told at first it is every month, 1 month to white, 1 month to yellow stripe, 1 month to yellow, ect, so that would mean like 6 months and your blue belt?

correct me if i am wrong.

thanks again

edit: sorry to the other useless poster, my english cant be as good as yours, i only wanted answers.

Okay, the rate of advancement in Jiu Jitsu depends a lot on the student and what you bring to the game. If one buys into the hype a FSD student with a few years of training would be able to make blue pretty quickly. If you've never trained before a blue belt can take a long long time to get to. Keep in mind that in a 'decen't club a blue belt will rip apart most people. I've heard some compare a blue in JJ to a black in most TMA. A blue can teach but not grade students.

So although there have been examples of people rushing through the belt system (BJ Penn comes to mind) there are also examples of people who have skills like mad and are still purple belts (George St Pierre for example).

So although belts are used they are somewhat misleading sometimes, I've heard there is a guy in Ottawa that trains (and has tapped) a super heavy weight ADCC competitor and yet just wears a blue belt...... Makes you think, eh? Maybe the black sash isn't the bad ass example of perfection it's made out to be.

Okay, since I answered your question I have one for you.

1.) Why is it that FSD students seem afraid to challenge their instructors in sparring?
2.) Why doesn't FSD compete outside of the walls of the club?
3.) Why does Siju always answer a question about his ability/skill/experience with a question about another club?

TKD

[Stringfellow]

shadow beast:

Can I get a copy of your contract? Feel free to "sanitize" it by deleting your name, etc. - I'm interested in the part that says that you don't have to pay for tests. I have a copy of the contract that was being used as of 2004 and it says nothing of the sort.

That reminds me, maybe I should put the one I have on the blog...

[shadow beast]

Okay, the rate of advancement in Jiu Jitsu depends a lot on the student and what you bring to the game. If one buys into the hype a FSD student with a few years of training would be able to make blue pretty quickly. If you've never trained before a blue belt can take a long long time to get to. Keep in mind that in a 'decen't club a blue belt will rip apart most people. I've heard some compare a blue in JJ to a black in most TMA. A blue can teach but not grade students.

So although there have been examples of people rushing through the belt system (BJ Penn comes to mind) there are also examples of people who have skills like mad and are still purple belts (George St Pierre for example).

So although belts are used they are somewhat misleading sometimes, I've heard there is a guy in Ottawa that trains (and has tapped) a super heavy weight ADCC competitor and yet just wears a blue belt...... Makes you think, eh? Maybe the black sash isn't the bad ass example of perfection it's made out to be.

Okay, since I answered your question I have one for you.

1.) Why is it that FSD students seem afraid to challenge their instructors in sparring?
2.) Why doesn't FSD compete outside of the walls of the club?
3.) Why does Siju always answer a question about his ability/skill/experience with a question about another club?

TKD

sup dude.

thanks for the answer, it took me about 5 years to get my black belt in japanese ju jitsu/jiu jitsu (everypne spells it different)

i always learn fast and advance fast in these things, i dont know why, lol but everything i took after the JJJ i seemed to get good at fast.

and for your questions, i am very sorry but i can't answer, because i dont know the answers, lol.

thanks again.

[shadow beast]

shadow beast:

Can I get a copy of your contract? Feel free to "sanitize" it by deleting your name, etc. - I'm interested in the part that says that you don't have to pay for tests. I have a copy of the contract that was being used as of 2004 and it says nothing of the sort.

That reminds me, maybe I should put the one I have on the blog...

hey, i dont know if it was 2004 it was changed, but it was, like greenhornet said, they made it so belts and all that are included, but also put up the price, which i dont mind, monthly payments dont bother me.

as for the contract, i am not sure, i wouldnt want to make it public if that.

if anyone wants to talk more private about this stuff, feel free to add me to your msn, no insults, no crap, just friendly talk about martial arts

lord_boltizor@hotmail.com

if not, i dont mind talking here.

[Cassius]

Okay, the rate of advancement in Jiu Jitsu depends a lot on the student and what you bring to the game. If one buys into the hype a FSD student with a few years of training would be able to make blue pretty quickly. If you've never trained before a blue belt can take a long long time to get to. Keep in mind that in a 'decen't club a blue belt will rip apart most people. I've heard some compare a blue in JJ to a black in most TMA. A blue can teach but not grade students.

So although there have been examples of people rushing through the belt system (BJ Penn comes to mind) there are also examples of people who have skills like mad and are still purple belts (George St Pierre for example).

So although belts are used they are somewhat misleading sometimes, I've heard there is a guy in Ottawa that trains (and has tapped) a super heavy weight ADCC competitor and yet just wears a blue belt...... Makes you think, eh? Maybe the black sash isn't the bad ass example of perfection it's made out to be.

Okay, since I answered your question I have one for you.

1.) Why is it that FSD students seem afraid to challenge their instructors in sparring?
2.) Why doesn't FSD compete outside of the walls of the club?
3.) Why does Siju always answer a question about his ability/skill/experience with a question about another club?

TKD

I'm not sure he was talking about BJJ, but good post anyway.

[TKD Black Belt]

Thanks, I try to be informative.

TKD