Fang Shen Do

[Stringfellow]

Another issue I didn't adress in my initial post is the schedule : FSD is open for business only 4 days a week for an hour during the day and one during the night, which makes it relatively hard to get a good workout. 1-1:30 just isn't enough. In order to get extra hours you need to join the Black Belt Club, or pay an extra for sparring classes and/or weapons classes. Plus the limited hours make it unaccessible. I actually can't believe no one has pointed this out yet.

You're absolutely right on this one. Sometimes we'd hang around a bit after class and work on whatever technique was currently giving us trouble, but we could never do it for long. Usually within 15 minutes we'd be shooed out of the school so that the instructor could close up shop and go have a beer.

In the same vein, that one benefit of the BBC that they keep touting - the ability to come as often as you want - doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless you're the sort of person who has absolutely no life. As a "regular" student you can come twice a week already. As bummer pointed out, the classes are short (~45 minutes, 15 of which is spent stretching and doing stations). I could see someone reasonably dedicated taking three classes a week, but anyone with any sort of life and/or commitments is going to have a hard time going for more. Of course, if you raise this issue you'll immediately be told by the school owner that he comes every day. Of course, he generally doesn't have a real job, either.

[It is Fake]

Of note on this side as well, a number of high end Jiu Jitsu guys will teach seminars at their affiliate clubs for essentially airfare and a few bucks.

Does Siju fly himself in?

TKD

I know. I was in a McDojo and the prices come up. So, I'm addressing the "look how much_______charges".

When in fact two expensive seminars, with an expert, are less than the 10-12 offered at $60 or more at a McDojo.

[Stringfellow]

Well, I don't know how he does it, but even with all of his assistants gone, Stephane manages to run his classes, cut up his bananas, and do door-to-door deliveries of propaga- er, I mean advertising. Found this article from the Ottawa Sun (Oct 18th, 2004) in the mailbox. Stapled to it was Stephane's business card. I had a good laugh reading it. Here of some of the choice bits:

JACQUES PATENAUDE warms up before teaching a kung fu class at his Catherine St. School - one of 20 schools he operates in Ontario and Quebec through his 25-year-old business.

I have never seen JP ever warm up for anything, let alone actually teach a class. Why we he want to sully himself with his lowly students when he has his instructors to handle those messy details of running a martial arts empire such as actually practicing it?

Patenaude describes his program as a blend of martial arts styles that builds confidence and prepares students physically, emotionally as well as spiritually. "It's a personal system designed to deal with fear, anxiety and stress," he says.
Patenaude even boasts that his program can boost the grades of children by improving their self discipline and concentration. He also says it will increase a child's stamina and strength and help them develop leadership skills.
Patenaude offers classes to strengthen the bonds between parents and children.

There's just too much there to comment on. It goes on and mentions the Hall of Fame, the "top 200 schools" from Andrew Wood, and mentions artciles and books that he's written. The line that really made me laugh was the last one, though:

Will he retire? "Never," he says. "I still have a desire to learn and to teach."

[dictionary69]

Hello mr.W stringfellow,
You sure have alot of time to do searches so that's maybe why you dont have any time to train? I'm sure mr.sp is laughing at the kind of things your saying to. I get to chat with him sometimes and I got a chance to talk to him about these threads and he chuckled at it to because of all the talk and no action that comes from it. He was telling me about two guys that were supposed to come at the school but never came to find out and after that he just stoped reading this foolish stuff he told me. Anyone planning on going. Stringfellow with all your advanced training you should be ready in a few months the way you describe your training now right? Are you planning on doing more than just going thru dirty laundry? All the talk but will you try to back up what you know now? Cheers

[It is Fake]

Hello mr.W stringfellow,
You sure have alot of time to do searches so that's maybe why you dont have any time to train?

Weak excuse.

No one trains 24 hours a day. NO ONE. The best fighters, the best teachers, Pro-atheletes, do not train 24 hours a day. It is impossible. Yes, it is impossible.

Why, because at some point you have to at least stop and take nourishment.
At some point you have to sleep. Even insomniacs have to let their bodies rest.
There is this little thing called fatigue. Yes, people with Stamina can fight off fatigue longer than others but, you still must stop. This is a fact.

So, to resort to the lamest excuse in the world shows Dic69 is reaching for straws.

[BoardHitBack]

Hello mr.W stringfellow,
You sure have alot of time to do searches so that's maybe why you dont have any time to train? I'm sure mr.sp is laughing at the kind of things your saying to. I get to chat with him sometimes and I got a chance to talk to him about these threads and he chuckled at it to because of all the talk and no action that comes from it. He was telling me about two guys that were supposed to come at the school but never came to find out and after that he just stoped reading this foolish stuff he told me. Anyone planning on going. Stringfellow with all your advanced training you should be ready in a few months the way you describe your training now right? Are you planning on doing more than just going thru dirty laundry? All the talk but will you try to back up what you know now? Cheers

Suck much cock lately?

[BoardHitBack]

Hello mr.W stringfellow,
You sure have alot of time to do searches so that's maybe why you dont have any time to train? I'm sure mr.sp is laughing at the kind of things your saying to. I get to chat with him sometimes and I got a chance to talk to him about these threads and he chuckled at it to because of all the talk and no action that comes from it. He was telling me about two guys that were supposed to come at the school but never came to find out and after that he just stoped reading this foolish stuff he told me. Anyone planning on going. Stringfellow with all your advanced training you should be ready in a few months the way you describe your training now right? Are you planning on doing more than just going thru dirty laundry? All the talk but will you try to back up what you know now? Cheers

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Hello stringfellow its sijo again. You have much less time to browse the internet than me as I'm not training or teaching at all. I'm not laughing at negative publicity and the fact I'm being sued, can't fight and have faked my qualifications to teach anything is repeatedly being put in the public eye. I am in fact extremely worried which is why I keep posting here. I am trying to deflect criticism my former students are bringing against me my school and instructors. My family-oriented business is not shown in a good light as a rip-off factory that fucks with people's lives. My criminal past and nefarious business practices don't make me look like the role model I pretend I am. Boy am I glad no-one came to fight me or my stooges- I would have been fucked up. I am hoping to lure you in a place where a number of my students will be able to ambush you. I hope my baiting works!

You are going thru my dirty laundry. It does acutally EXIST

[Askari]

BHB, please preface your posts with a warning of some sort.

I just about spit milk through my nose when I read your post. Classic - Classic.

You are absolutely right, it is guaranteed that sJP is reading every post on these threads.

[DAYoung]

I suspect this is something we in Australia have to be proud of:

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=e...cr%3DcountryAU

[BoardHitBack]

Sorry about the milk! I wonder how sijo would react? He and his stooges aren't the most tolerant fellows.

I aim to drive his ever-growing weight to such a level that even tony robbins programming tapes can't save him from the ill health he deserves.

He is getting quite bloated. I don't think its going to be that much of a challenge.

day-you lucky bastard

[DAYoung]

day-you lucky bastard

I know. All we have to worry about is Go Kan Ryu.

They do very well at the NAS...

[Askari]

Legitimate MMA

Well, I was just thinking. If these Fang Shen Do sifus are so shit hot. There's an MMA training camp and tryout for APEX coming up in two weeks. Maybe they should attend:

APEX TRAINING CAMP INFORMATION, as posted on the UG

Now, I know to qualify for APEX you actually have to be able to fight, but hey, anyone can turn up and try out.

So yeah, Dic(k)69 (if that is your real name) we have called your boys out. In a legitimate and legal fashion. Non of these dark alley mugging stuff or immature school yard, at the bus stop BS. Lets see your boys in the ring. Let the match maker pick your opponents, and let the whole world see you fight.

Or you could just email TKO and I am sure they would get you a fight ASAP. And I think KOTC will still cover airfare to the fight for you and a corner man.

Or are you chicken?


Day, you are one lucky guy.

[DAYoung]

Day, you are one lucky guy.

I know. You can't fake handsome.

Oh, you mean...

Yes, but GKR are making headway with their door-to-door sales.

[TKD Black Belt]

PUT DOWN YOUR MILK!

Hello mr.W stringfellow,
You sure have alot of time to do searches so that's maybe why you dont have any time to train?

- Hmm, I think this translates more like, "Please let this go! Please!" Hmm, I think we wait till we hear 'No Mas'.

I'm sure mr.sp is laughing at the kind of things your saying to. I get to chat with him sometimes and I got a chance to talk to him about these threads and he chuckled at it to because of all the talk and no action that comes from it. He was telling me about two guys that were supposed to come at the school but never came to find out and after that he just stoped reading this foolish stuff he told me.

- Well what is it, either you think he is, you know he is or you are him and you still don't know. Again as you go further in you seem to be confused as to how much or how little Siju is reading the thread. I think more to the point they were hoping for some guy with Califlower ear and a patched up Jiu Jitsu gi to come wandering in to the club. (Of course I could have signed up and am just waiting....)

Anyone planning on going.

- Again, try not to tip your hand so much. The stress must be killing you guys. Every new student being grilled as to how much of this thread they know or have they done web searches. This really must add to the overall time it takes to rope in a new student. Must be killing the application process, eh?

Stringfellow with all your advanced training you should be ready in a few months the way you describe your training now right?

- Fuck advanced training, I heard a guy with a few weeks of Jiu Jitsu pimped your ass! At this rate you'll have to pay Stringfellow to come in and teach a seminar let alone just do a class. If you ask really nice I'll let you know who I am and we can play together, as it were. Unless you think it unfair that I don't have any Fang Shen Don't training.

Are you planning on doing more than just going thru dirty laundry? All the talk but will you try to back up what you know now? Cheers

- Man I love internet threats. The best are the ones made in an attempt to be coy, but like a highschool girl hitting on her teacher you guys are about as subtle as a kick in the head. What are you planning on doing, it has already been established that anyone with a few weeks of Jiu Jitsu is way to dangerous to fight! You planning on calling in a higher rank? Oh wait you have alienated yourself from the entire Kung Fu community.

Listen, tell Siju that he can probably take a few free classes in Jiu Jitsu and sharpen up his skills. Then tell him to contact TKO or KOTC and put his money where his mouth is. Simply put I don't think you guys have the balls to get in the cage and lay it on the line. Oh I know you'll give me the "Our style isn't about competition" or some other such nonsense. But it all boils down to not being able.

TKD

Don't tell anyone I'm a ninja!

[Shawarma]

To call up a ghost from the past, I no longer have any faith in the "FSD sifus winning televised MMA fights with 5000 spectators." story. They have had AMPLE time to provide some kind of evidence and have failed to do so, let alone post again explaining the absence of evidence, which allegedly hangs on the wall of a FSD dojo.

If such "evidence" does indeed exist, they are obviously aware that it will not stand up to further scrutiny and only lead to further destroying their credibility.

To sum up: No FSD sifu won a MMA fight. FSD is full of shit and a cult. I can certainly believe that it has strong WC roots, because that's two very common WC traditions right there.