Fang Shen Do

[Haru_the_larger]

First, congrats to Haru for getting post #1500!

Now, about the book, I actually see this as a positive development. I, for one, would be glad to hear the story of FSD straight from the horse's mouth. I've never understood the secrecy around his past before. Openness and transparancy in an organization is a good thing - it keeps you honest. I'm glad to see this first step and can only hope that this leads to more of the same.

Why thank you!

It COULD be a positive development. It really does depend on how it is written and what goes into it. If it is nothing more than an extension of the FSD book that has already been talked about in this thread then I do not imagine it will do much to enlighten us.

[Haru_the_larger]

wow, funny, you sound like I did 2 weeks ago..

i couldnt read all that, i have this thing where i can only read paragraphs.

My shotokan karate club has everything, minus the weapon training, classes pretty much every day, morning and night, and it costs me a whopping 60$ a month, to attend up to 14 classes a week if i want.

hmm, odd.....

edit: and the other funny thing is, my shotokan karate club teaches pretty much everything that fsd does, all types of kicks, punches, takedowns, "traps" etc.

Hey SB. This is not me jumping on you, but I am a bit confused. You are CURRENTLY taking shotokan? I thought you were now doing vale tudo. Or are you doing vale tudo at a shotokan club? Or is it enhanced that is taking vale tudo? Or are you training at more than one MA club at a time?

It sounds to me like whatshisname got an extra large glass of KoolAid.

[Haru_the_larger]

Sorry Haru those were names off of the first 3-4 pages.

If he(or whoever) doesn't put it into context like "this has proof of the MMA fights'" it is considered trolling/Spamming.

This account could be banned, that is what I'm driving to at this point.

np IIF. I don't imagine that they would care if their account was banned. In all likelihood they would just create another account in order to spam again. I don't think they care enough really. It is part of the larger problem, as has been discussed on this thread in many ways. It is the reason that FSD continues to have student migration away from the school and why it is such a joke to the rest of you - they are isolationists who think their opinion is the only opinion. In considering this, it would almost be better not to ban their account so that there is just more proof of how much they ignore everyone else and truck along on their way, oblivious to the lives they are ruining.

[Doctor X]

I wish to affirm that I can kick the ass of anyone of equal suckitude to me. . . .

--J.D.

[shadow beast]

Shadow Beast,
Have we converted you to the cynical dark side?

This guy even stole part of your screen name - Go get him.

yes, yes you did convert me..

ahem, this is odd, i am probably wrong, but this person sounds a lot like someone i know,

1: saying stringfellow quit because of blah blah blah

2: member for about a year

3: blue sash

4: was fat, got thin with fsd

5: trains in laval and montreal

6: says he can kick anyones ass the same level as him.

Hmmmmmmm.........

[Askari]

wow, funny, you sound like I did 2 weeks ago..

i couldnt read all that, i have this thing where i can only read paragraphs.

My shotokan karate club has everything, minus the weapon training, classes pretty much every day, morning and night, and it costs me a whopping 60$ a month, to attend up to 14 classes a week if i want.

hmm, odd.....

edit: and the other funny thing is, my shotokan karate club teaches pretty much everything that fsd does, all types of kicks, punches, takedowns, "traps" etc.

Shadow Beast,
Have we converted you to the cynical dark side?

This guy even stole part of your screen name - Go get him.



Hey FSD Management,
I'll write a review of your book for free, as soon as it is published I will write the review and post it up here.

[shadow beast]

So I read, and then read again the article on Stringfellow's opinion about Fang Shen Do Kung Fu. I respect everyone's opinion, and I appreciate what Stringfellow has to say. However, I have been a Fang Shen Do Student for over one year, I am a proud BBC member, have attained the blue sash level, and the gains that I have achieved both physically and mentally are outstanding. Say what you will about this system of Kung Fu, you must admit that it is not all negaitive. I take advantage of as many classes as possible training between 8 to 10 hours a week with the Sifus in Montreal and Laval, and have been treated with great respect by each of them and have felt like part of their family. I don't care that I pay 175$ a month, so what!! Where can you go and get an intense, amasing workout these days in martial arts where the energy levels of all students is so obviously positive, intense, and inspiring?? I respect all Kung Fu martial arts, including the traditional systems of Wing Chun, Hung Gar, and Shaolin, however, Fang Shen Do is more than just learning martial arts. It is physical coditioning, relief of stress, gratification with instant rewards and long term effects. I don't know which Club Stringfellow belonged to, but the Clubs I train at our highly effective. On more than one occasion I had to put my skills to use in real confrontations, and so far I was on the standing end of the ordeal. Come on, be honest, being a martial artist is totally within. Whatever style you train with and whatever school you attend is not what makes you the utlimate fighter. It is who you are! when i started training in Fang Shen Do, I was obese, slow, weak, and totally not motivated. Within one year, I have put on muscle mass tha is so outsanding, lost so much fat on my body, gained speed, strength and confidence, and have positive motivation. But it wasn't Sijo JP or my Sifus who did this for me, I did it, with their guidance. With their example. All the Sigus are in tremendous shape. They are a perfect example of what a martial artist should look like (male and female). So what if they don't compete in events or tournaments, so what if Sijo trained with a Bruce Lee student (James W. DeMile) or not. Not's not the important thing here. I used to be one of those guys who that that if you really wanted to learn martial arts, then you should be taught by some old oriental fellow or his descendants and do all sorts of bullshit forms or katas to become a martial artist. BULLSHIT! Man if you can trap your opponent, kick and punch the shit out of him using all the weapons of your body, take down or grapple and close with finishing blows, than you are an accomplished martial artist. And guess what, you learn all of these things in Fang Shen Do.
I often seek guidance from the Sifus, and they have always been more than kind in sharing their views. Their advice has only helped me in the long run. So they bad mouth other systems. That's ok, no? If you are so proud of something you do or own, then why promote something else? I am pretty certain that I can kick anyone's ass who has trained as long as me in whatever style, and if I don't, then so what! It doesn't mean that Fang Shen Do failed me, or benefited me. The animal is within, and if you don't know how to harness it, then no training will make you win fights.
Stringfellow also mentioned that Fang Shen Do students are not taught how to deal with real confrontations. WOW, couldn't be more wrong. We have actualy done role playing in class where we pretended to be sitting down in a metro car and someone attacked us, or at times we pretended to be at a bus stop waiting for the bus and were attacked and taught how to deal with it. There is so much intensity in each class and sweat and conditioning and skill that whether or not I am a Kool aid drinker I love it and keep going back for more. Oh and yes, why pay $175 for that, well, to be honest with you, because there are no schools that charge less than that that offer you what Fang Shen Do does, not in Quebec any ways. I can train 7 days a week, take regular classes, BBC classes, weapons classes, spar every day if i want, all for this low price. There are day and evening and late evening classes. There are weekend classes, private classes, and some darn good seminars. Oh, and about the seminars, i was never forced to take any. Sifu would make an announcement once a week about the upcoming seminars, and you can sign up or not, student's choice. So why pay for seminars?? Let me tell you why! A seminar lasts between 2-3 hours long, and is very intensive. Would you or I work 2-3 hours in one day without getting paid? Hell NO! We need money to survive, and we all want to make a nice living. This bullshit that true martial arts masters are supposed to be old, wise, and poor is a farce. If martial arts schools were not financially successful, then there wouldn't be any around and we would become extinct.
Again, I respect what you have to say Stringfellow, but I think you are just a little dissapointed with all the money you have spent, and with the little gains you have achieved. Maybe somewhere during your training, you weren't inspired enough and lost interest, thus neglecting what you could have learned in class and let yourself go. Good luck to you. I am a martial artist with a black belt in Shotokan karate, and now a blue sash in Fang Shen Do Kung Fu, and I am darn proud of it!!

Shadow Ragno

wow, funny, you sound like I did 2 weeks ago..

i couldnt read all that, i have this thing where i can only read paragraphs.

My shotokan karate club has everything, minus the weapon training, classes pretty much every day, morning and night, and it costs me a whopping 60$ a month, to attend up to 14 classes a week if i want.

hmm, odd.....

edit: and the other funny thing is, my shotokan karate club teaches pretty much everything that fsd does, all types of kicks, punches, takedowns, "traps" etc.

[plasma]

So I read, and then read again the article on Stringfellow's opinion about Fang Shen Do Kung Fu. I respect everyone's opinion, and I appreciate what Stringfellow has to say. However, I have been a Fang Shen Do Student for over one year, I am a proud BBC member, have attained the blue sash level, and the gains that I have achieved both physically and mentally are outstanding. Say what you will about this system of Kung Fu, you must admit that it is not all negaitive. I take advantage of as many classes as possible training between 8 to 10 hours a week with the Sifus in Montreal and Laval, and have been treated with great respect by each of them and have felt like part of their family. I don't care that I pay 175$ a month, so what!! Where can you go and get an intense, amasing workout these days in martial arts where the energy levels of all students is so obviously positive, intense, and inspiring?? I respect all Kung Fu martial arts, including the traditional systems of Wing Chun, Hung Gar, and Shaolin, however, Fang Shen Do is more than just learning martial arts. It is physical coditioning, relief of stress, gratification with instant rewards and long term effects. I don't know which Club Stringfellow belonged to, but the Clubs I train at our highly effective. On more than one occasion I had to put my skills to use in real confrontations, and so far I was on the standing end of the ordeal. Come on, be honest, being a martial artist is totally within. Whatever style you train with and whatever school you attend is not what makes you the utlimate fighter. It is who you are! when i started training in Fang Shen Do, I was obese, slow, weak, and totally not motivated. Within one year, I have put on muscle mass tha is so outsanding, lost so much fat on my body, gained speed, strength and confidence, and have positive motivation. But it wasn't Sijo JP or my Sifus who did this for me, I did it, with their guidance. With their example. All the Sigus are in tremendous shape. They are a perfect example of what a martial artist should look like (male and female). So what if they don't compete in events or tournaments, so what if Sijo trained with a Bruce Lee student (James W. DeMile) or not. Not's not the important thing here. I used to be one of those guys who that that if you really wanted to learn martial arts, then you should be taught by some old oriental fellow or his descendants and do all sorts of bullshit forms or katas to become a martial artist. BULLSHIT! Man if you can trap your opponent, kick and punch the shit out of him using all the weapons of your body, take down or grapple and close with finishing blows, than you are an accomplished martial artist. And guess what, you learn all of these things in Fang Shen Do.
I often seek guidance from the Sifus, and they have always been more than kind in sharing their views. Their advice has only helped me in the long run. So they bad mouth other systems. That's ok, no? If you are so proud of something you do or own, then why promote something else? I am pretty certain that I can kick anyone's ass who has trained as long as me in whatever style, and if I don't, then so what! It doesn't mean that Fang Shen Do failed me, or benefited me. The animal is within, and if you don't know how to harness it, then no training will make you win fights.
Stringfellow also mentioned that Fang Shen Do students are not taught how to deal with real confrontations. WOW, couldn't be more wrong. We have actualy done role playing in class where we pretended to be sitting down in a metro car and someone attacked us, or at times we pretended to be at a bus stop waiting for the bus and were attacked and taught how to deal with it. There is so much intensity in each class and sweat and conditioning and skill that whether or not I am a Kool aid drinker I love it and keep going back for more. Oh and yes, why pay $175 for that, well, to be honest with you, because there are no schools that charge less than that that offer you what Fang Shen Do does, not in Quebec any ways. I can train 7 days a week, take regular classes, BBC classes, weapons classes, spar every day if i want, all for this low price. There are day and evening and late evening classes. There are weekend classes, private classes, and some darn good seminars. Oh, and about the seminars, i was never forced to take any. Sifu would make an announcement once a week about the upcoming seminars, and you can sign up or not, student's choice. So why pay for seminars?? Let me tell you why! A seminar lasts between 2-3 hours long, and is very intensive. Would you or I work 2-3 hours in one day without getting paid? Hell NO! We need money to survive, and we all want to make a nice living. This bullshit that true martial arts masters are supposed to be old, wise, and poor is a farce. If martial arts schools were not financially successful, then there wouldn't be any around and we would become extinct.
Again, I respect what you have to say Stringfellow, but I think you are just a little dissapointed with all the money you have spent, and with the little gains you have achieved. Maybe somewhere during your training, you weren't inspired enough and lost interest, thus neglecting what you could have learned in class and let yourself go. Good luck to you. I am a martial artist with a black belt in Shotokan karate, and now a blue sash in Fang Shen Do Kung Fu, and I am darn proud of it!!

Shadow Ragno

:sigh: Have you ever sparred outside your style?

[TheDingo]

[It is Fake]

Hmmm......................Interesting. I'll let someone pick you apart. Paragraphs are your friend.

All I'll say is this, you are doing other schools and students a disservice by trying to lay the blame at their doorsteps. For those reading, this is another tactic in my MA cult signs. Maybe I will write a list one day.

Meng MAo saw on another thread how close I am to predicitng responses.

This is another step. Oh the Sijo's school is best, I can't control what happens outside of my school. Fine why do you continue to take a cut from these schools? Why do you visit these schools, for seminars, if they are so bad?

[Stringfellow]

First, congrats to Haru for getting post #1500!

Now, about the book, I actually see this as a positive development. I, for one, would be glad to hear the story of FSD straight from the horse's mouth. I've never understood the secrecy around his past before. Openness and transparancy in an organization is a good thing - it keeps you honest. I'm glad to see this first step and can only hope that this leads to more of the same.

[Slug]

So I read, and then read again the article on Stringfellow's opinion about Fang Shen Do Kung Fu. I respect everyone's opinion, and I appreciate what Stringfellow has to say. However, I have been a Fang Shen Do Student for over one year, I am a proud BBC member, have attained the blue sash level, and the gains that I have achieved both physically and mentally are outstanding. Say what you will about this system of Kung Fu, you must admit that it is not all negaitive. I take advantage of as many classes as possible training between 8 to 10 hours a week with the Sifus in Montreal and Laval, and have been treated with great respect by each of them and have felt like part of their family. I don't care that I pay 175$ a month, so what!! Where can you go and get an intense, amasing workout these days in martial arts where the energy levels of all students is so obviously positive, intense, and inspiring?? I respect all Kung Fu martial arts, including the traditional systems of Wing Chun, Hung Gar, and Shaolin, however, Fang Shen Do is more than just learning martial arts. It is physical coditioning, relief of stress, gratification with instant rewards and long term effects. I don't know which Club Stringfellow belonged to, but the Clubs I train at our highly effective. On more than one occasion I had to put my skills to use in real confrontations, and so far I was on the standing end of the ordeal. Come on, be honest, being a martial artist is totally within. Whatever style you train with and whatever school you attend is not what makes you the utlimate fighter. It is who you are! when i started training in Fang Shen Do, I was obese, slow, weak, and totally not motivated. Within one year, I have put on muscle mass tha is so outsanding, lost so much fat on my body, gained speed, strength and confidence, and have positive motivation. But it wasn't Sijo JP or my Sifus who did this for me, I did it, with their guidance. With their example. All the Sigus are in tremendous shape. They are a perfect example of what a martial artist should look like (male and female). So what if they don't compete in events or tournaments, so what if Sijo trained with a Bruce Lee student (James W. DeMile) or not. Not's not the important thing here. I used to be one of those guys who that that if you really wanted to learn martial arts, then you should be taught by some old oriental fellow or his descendants and do all sorts of bullshit forms or katas to become a martial artist. BULLSHIT! Man if you can trap your opponent, kick and punch the shit out of him using all the weapons of your body, take down or grapple and close with finishing blows, than you are an accomplished martial artist. And guess what, you learn all of these things in Fang Shen Do.
I often seek guidance from the Sifus, and they have always been more than kind in sharing their views. Their advice has only helped me in the long run. So they bad mouth other systems. That's ok, no? If you are so proud of something you do or own, then why promote something else? I am pretty certain that I can kick anyone's ass who has trained as long as me in whatever style, and if I don't, then so what! It doesn't mean that Fang Shen Do failed me, or benefited me. The animal is within, and if you don't know how to harness it, then no training will make you win fights.
Stringfellow also mentioned that Fang Shen Do students are not taught how to deal with real confrontations. WOW, couldn't be more wrong. We have actualy done role playing in class where we pretended to be sitting down in a metro car and someone attacked us, or at times we pretended to be at a bus stop waiting for the bus and were attacked and taught how to deal with it. There is so much intensity in each class and sweat and conditioning and skill that whether or not I am a Kool aid drinker I love it and keep going back for more. Oh and yes, why pay $175 for that, well, to be honest with you, because there are no schools that charge less than that that offer you what Fang Shen Do does, not in Quebec any ways. I can train 7 days a week, take regular classes, BBC classes, weapons classes, spar every day if i want, all for this low price. There are day and evening and late evening classes. There are weekend classes, private classes, and some darn good seminars. Oh, and about the seminars, i was never forced to take any. Sifu would make an announcement once a week about the upcoming seminars, and you can sign up or not, student's choice. So why pay for seminars?? Let me tell you why! A seminar lasts between 2-3 hours long, and is very intensive. Would you or I work 2-3 hours in one day without getting paid? Hell NO! We need money to survive, and we all want to make a nice living. This bullshit that true martial arts masters are supposed to be old, wise, and poor is a farce. If martial arts schools were not financially successful, then there wouldn't be any around and we would become extinct.
Again, I respect what you have to say Stringfellow, but I think you are just a little dissapointed with all the money you have spent, and with the little gains you have achieved. Maybe somewhere during your training, you weren't inspired enough and lost interest, thus neglecting what you could have learned in class and let yourself go. Good luck to you. I am a martial artist with a black belt in Shotokan karate, and now a blue sash in Fang Shen Do Kung Fu, and I am darn proud of it!!

Shadow Ragno

The above message was brought to you by the Nut Huggers group of Kool-Aid drinkers local 448...

You know it may have gotten some credibility if you did'nt end wiith an assholish jab mimicing what a previous 'Sifu' said about Stringfellows commitment.

Now after all that earnest effort you just came across sounding like a mouthpiece

Slug

[Shadow Ragno]

My View on Fang Shen Do Kung Fu

So I read, and then read again the article on Stringfellow's opinion about Fang Shen Do Kung Fu. I respect everyone's opinion, and I appreciate what Stringfellow has to say. However, I have been a Fang Shen Do Student for over one year, I am a proud BBC member, have attained the blue sash level, and the gains that I have achieved both physically and mentally are outstanding. Say what you will about this system of Kung Fu, you must admit that it is not all negaitive. I take advantage of as many classes as possible training between 8 to 10 hours a week with the Sifus in Montreal and Laval, and have been treated with great respect by each of them and have felt like part of their family. I don't care that I pay 175$ a month, so what!! Where can you go and get an intense, amasing workout these days in martial arts where the energy levels of all students is so obviously positive, intense, and inspiring?? I respect all Kung Fu martial arts, including the traditional systems of Wing Chun, Hung Gar, and Shaolin, however, Fang Shen Do is more than just learning martial arts. It is physical coditioning, relief of stress, gratification with instant rewards and long term effects. I don't know which Club Stringfellow belonged to, but the Clubs I train at our highly effective. On more than one occasion I had to put my skills to use in real confrontations, and so far I was on the standing end of the ordeal. Come on, be honest, being a martial artist is totally within. Whatever style you train with and whatever school you attend is not what makes you the utlimate fighter. It is who you are! when i started training in Fang Shen Do, I was obese, slow, weak, and totally not motivated. Within one year, I have put on muscle mass tha is so outsanding, lost so much fat on my body, gained speed, strength and confidence, and have positive motivation. But it wasn't Sijo JP or my Sifus who did this for me, I did it, with their guidance. With their example. All the Sigus are in tremendous shape. They are a perfect example of what a martial artist should look like (male and female). So what if they don't compete in events or tournaments, so what if Sijo trained with a Bruce Lee student (James W. DeMile) or not. Not's not the important thing here. I used to be one of those guys who that that if you really wanted to learn martial arts, then you should be taught by some old oriental fellow or his descendants and do all sorts of bullshit forms or katas to become a martial artist. BULLSHIT! Man if you can trap your opponent, kick and punch the shit out of him using all the weapons of your body, take down or grapple and close with finishing blows, than you are an accomplished martial artist. And guess what, you learn all of these things in Fang Shen Do.
I often seek guidance from the Sifus, and they have always been more than kind in sharing their views. Their advice has only helped me in the long run. So they bad mouth other systems. That's ok, no? If you are so proud of something you do or own, then why promote something else? I am pretty certain that I can kick anyone's ass who has trained as long as me in whatever style, and if I don't, then so what! It doesn't mean that Fang Shen Do failed me, or benefited me. The animal is within, and if you don't know how to harness it, then no training will make you win fights.
Stringfellow also mentioned that Fang Shen Do students are not taught how to deal with real confrontations. WOW, couldn't be more wrong. We have actualy done role playing in class where we pretended to be sitting down in a metro car and someone attacked us, or at times we pretended to be at a bus stop waiting for the bus and were attacked and taught how to deal with it. There is so much intensity in each class and sweat and conditioning and skill that whether or not I am a Kool aid drinker I love it and keep going back for more. Oh and yes, why pay $175 for that, well, to be honest with you, because there are no schools that charge less than that that offer you what Fang Shen Do does, not in Quebec any ways. I can train 7 days a week, take regular classes, BBC classes, weapons classes, spar every day if i want, all for this low price. There are day and evening and late evening classes. There are weekend classes, private classes, and some darn good seminars. Oh, and about the seminars, i was never forced to take any. Sifu would make an announcement once a week about the upcoming seminars, and you can sign up or not, student's choice. So why pay for seminars?? Let me tell you why! A seminar lasts between 2-3 hours long, and is very intensive. Would you or I work 2-3 hours in one day without getting paid? Hell NO! We need money to survive, and we all want to make a nice living. This bullshit that true martial arts masters are supposed to be old, wise, and poor is a farce. If martial arts schools were not financially successful, then there wouldn't be any around and we would become extinct.
Again, I respect what you have to say Stringfellow, but I think you are just a little dissapointed with all the money you have spent, and with the little gains you have achieved. Maybe somewhere during your training, you weren't inspired enough and lost interest, thus neglecting what you could have learned in class and let yourself go. Good luck to you. I am a martial artist with a black belt in Shotokan karate, and now a blue sash in Fang Shen Do Kung Fu, and I am darn proud of it!!

Shadow Ragno

[Shadow Ragno]

My View on Fang Shen Do

So I read, and then read again the article on Stringfellow's opinion about Fang Shen Do Kung Fu. I respect everyone's opinion, and I appreciate what Stringfellow has to say. However, I have been a Fang Shen Do Student for over one year, I am a proud BBC member, have attained the blue sash level, and the gains that I have achieved both physically and mentally are outstanding. Say what you will about this system of Kung Fu, you must admit that it is not all negaitive. I take advantage of as many classes as possible training between 8 to 10 hours a week with the Sifus in Montreal and Laval, and have been treated with great respect by each of them and have felt like part of their family. I don't care that I pay 175$ a month, so what!! Where can you go and get an intense, amasing workout these days in martial arts where the energy levels of all students is so obviously positive, intense, and inspiring?? I respect all Kung Fu martial arts, including the traditional systems of Wing Chun, Hung Gar, and Shaolin, however, Fang Shen Do is more than just learning martial arts. It is physical coditioning, relief of stress, gratification with instant rewards and long term effects. I don't know which Club Stringfellow belonged to, but the Clubs I train at our highly effective. On more than one occasion I had to put my skills to use in real confrontations, and so far I was on the standing end of the ordeal. Come on, be honest, being a martial artist is totally within. Whatever style you train with and whatever school you attend is not what makes you the utlimate fighter. It is who you are! when i started training in Fang Shen Do, I was obese, slow, weak, and totally not motivated. Within one year, I have put on muscle mass tha is so outsanding, lost so much fat on my body, gained speed, strength and confidence, and have positive motivation. But it wasn't Sijo JP or my Sifus who did this for me, I did it, with their guidance. With their example. All the Sigus are in tremendous shape. They are a perfect example of what a martial artist should look like (male and female). So what if they don't compete in events or tournaments, so what if Sijo trained with a Bruce Lee student (James W. DeMile) or not. Not's not the important thing here. I used to be one of those guys who that that if you really wanted to learn martial arts, then you should be taught by some old oriental fellow or his descendants and do all sorts of bullshit forms or katas to become a martial artist. BULLSHIT! Man if you can trap your opponent, kick and punch the shit out of him using all the weapons of your body, take down or grapple and close with finishing blows, than you are an accomplished martial artist. And guess what, you learn all of these things in Fang Shen Do.
I often seek guidance from the Sifus, and they have always been more than kind in sharing their views. Their advice has only helped me in the long run. So they bad mouth other systems. That's ok, no? If you are so proud of something you do or own, then why promote something else? I am pretty certain that I can kick anyone's ass who has trained as long as me in whatever style, and if I don't, then so what! It doesn't mean that Fang Shen Do failed me, or benefited me. The animal is within, and if you don't know how to harness it, then no training will make you win fights.
Stringfellow also mentioned that Fang Shen Do students are not taught how to deal with real confrontations. WOW, couldn't be more wrong. We have actualy done role playing in class where we pretended to be sitting down in a metro car and someone attacked us, or at times we pretended to be at a bus stop waiting for the bus and were attacked and taught how to deal with it. There is so much intensity in each class and sweat and conditioning and skill that whether or not I am a Kool aid drinker I love it and keep going back for more. Oh and yes, why pay $175 for that, well, to be honest with you, because there are no schools that charge less than that that offer you what Fang Shen Do does, not in Quebec any ways. I can train 7 days a week, take regular classes, BBC classes, weapons classes, spar every day if i want, all for this low price. There are day and evening and late evening classes. There are weekend classes, private classes, and some darn good seminars. Oh, and about the seminars, i was never forced to take any. Sifu would make an announcement once a week about the upcoming seminars, and you can sign up or not, student's choice. So why pay for seminars?? Let me tell you why! A seminar lasts between 2-3 hours long, and is very intensive. Would you or I work 2-3 hours in one day without getting paid? Hell NO! We need money to survive, and we all want to make a nice living. This bullshit that true martial arts masters are supposed to be old, wise, and poor is a farce. If martial arts schools were not financially successful, then there wouldn't be any around and we would become extinct.
Again, I respect what you have to say Stringfellow, but I think you are just a little dissapointed with all the money you have spent, and with the little gains you have achieved. Maybe somewhere during your training, you weren't inspired enough and lost interest, thus neglecting what you could have learned in class and let yourself go. Good luck to you. I am a martial artist with a black belt in Shotokan karate, and now a blue sash in Fang Shen Do Kung Fu, and I am darn proud of it!!

Shadow Ragno

[Slug]

I do not know anything about FSD except though the stories on this thread and the videos posted. There are some students that rally behind each other to debunk credibilty, normaly I would think that this was just 'sour grapes' except I heard this same song before back in 1993 in Los Angles from some people that bailed on Modern Wing Chun or Whatever.

To be fair I should ask Guro Dan if he remembers these people and forward him the link to the picture next time I drop by the academy.

Maybe he can shed some light on this but I doubt he would post on the forum.
As far as I know Guro Dan only has Bob Carver whom Ive met once at a seminar years ago as his Instructor in Ottawa.

Slug