Fang Shen Do

[DAYoung]

I can go all out against any of my Jiu-Jitsu instructors, and anyone who trains with me can go all out against me. It is not an ego issue because it is just plain fun. Training should be fun. If you are worried about your instructors reaction to you going all out against him, then you have a serious problem.

waza randori

[enhanced]

Askari did'nt you ask me if I minded if you ignored my posts? Well I don't.
Be a man of your word.

[Askari]

Also Enhanced,
Your instructors names do not appear on either FcFighter.com or Sherdog listings of all MMA events. Ipso Facto - they did not compete in MMA.

It is entirely possible that they did compete in some sort of other Full Contact event, which speaks well for them, but the claim of MMA is pretty much shot down by simply consulting the records.

Also, have you ever - in an after class conversation - asked to see the criminal records or certificates of any of your instructors? At this point, certificates signed by the self-promoted Grand Puba, Sijo JP probably dont really cut it.

Perhaps ask to see JP's certificates. Go for it. I've seen the certificates of everyone who has ever been my instructor.

You as a student and customer have the absolute right to know what you are buying.

[Askari]

Enhanced, actually, I just intended to ignore your insults and make a vain attempt to address any real issues that you managed to dredge up from the lower levels of the bottom where you dwell with the other trolls.



DAYoung, that is a great quotation.

[DAYoung]

DAYoung, that is a great quotation.

Great man, by all accounts. Articulate, learned, generous, innovative, and tough without being a fuckwit. In other words, an excellent teacher.

[Askari]

Oh, and enhanced? Its called "Ad Hominem" when you attack the messenger, make sure to preface your attack posts with that title, it helps with the skiming.



DAyoung, I've trained with some great Judoka, Kano's legacy is strong.

[Askari]

Profile edited to add the Kano quotation to my sig.

[DAYoung]

Profile edited to add the Kano quotation to my sig.

Glad to hear it. His writings are filled with passages like this.

As far as Judoka, and in my very humble experience, Kano's legacy is far more influential than many other styles - it seems to attract and retain many good quality people. Perhaps it's also because you can't fake it.

[marcdscott]

Red Dragon,

I know who Fenn is, the photographer, we have some mutual friends and aquaintences, though he doesn't know me.

[Askari]

DAYoung, you have hit the nail on the head.

An art like Judo or a Jiu-Jitsu art with lots of Randori and very public competitions tends to leave the fakers in the dust.

A friend has a number of old Judo books written by Kano's early students, a real treasure trove of what he passed on to the first generation.

[DAYoung]

DAYoung, you have hit the nail on the head.

An art like Judo or a Jiu-Jitsu art with lots of Randori and very public competitions tends to leave the fakers in the dust.

A friend has a number of old Judo books written by Kano's early students, a real treasure trove of what he passed on to the first generation.

Yes. When I tried to karate-uke my way out in randori, they just grabbed somewhere else and reaped the shit out of me - great stuff.

There's one called Judo: Japanese Physical Culture by a chap called Arima that I looked at recently - fascinating stuff (published in 1908, so very much alive with the spirit of the times). For a great introduction to the ideas and history, I really can't go past Kano's collected writings (recently published by Kodansha).

[TKD Black Belt]

Crazy Mount - Thank you very much. Those words mean a lot to me as I try to be the type of coach who is not so much hung up on my own ability as I am on my students. Last week I was rolling with a guy getting ready for a semi-main event on a KOTC card and he caught me with a knee bar. This was the first time since a former UFC champ caught me with one and I told him so. I don't mind losing or being wrong as long as I can pass on the information I have gained to the people around me.

If you're in the Hali area let me know, I have a few contacts out in that neck of the woods that can hook you up with more that just a propeller ale or guest list at the liquor dome!

ENHANCED! Thank you for your well thought response and I do truly wish I was close enough to invite you over for a beer and a friendly roll! Please understand that as a bouncer I've seen too many people get hurt for the wrong reasons and would rather you were associated with a school with a legitimate reason for their teachings. Right now I have little to no respect for FSD. (PS - If any of the FSD Sifu's take umbrage with my comments feel free to contact the KOTC promoter in western Canada and we can settle this in the cage.)

Sure at first when I did'nt know a pak sao from a die jeong but, as you move along and get better and into higher ranks the resistance is increased and sparring gets tougher because you can handle it. The problen is that some guys forget that they are learning how to fight and they just get comfortabvle going through the motions. That can hold a student back as well. If you don't have a good partner who challenges you you're just jerking yourself off. Also if guys don't show up to class on a regular basis then you're always dealing with fresh guys who need to start from the basics and that holds things up big time. That is a big problem to tell you the truth.

- Once again you have missed the point and I'm not addressing this again to be a jerk but rather to point out a misconception in your thought pattern. I wear a blue belt in JJJ and I wasn't permitted to test for my blue belt until I reversed (swept) my instructor three times in one class in sparring. That didn't mean I was going harder on him or hitting him harder, it meant the my technique had advanced.

A coach should never be afraid to lose to his student. That's what learning is about! Answer me this, how good of a reader would you be if your grade 2 teacher left the letter 'J' 'K' and 'O' out of the lessons she was teaching? If your instructor isn't showing you how to beat them you are losing out. Hell I teach whole classes on "How to beat me" to my students, so that they can beat me and so that I'm pushed to become better !

True some blame belongs on the instructors shoulders because they are the one incharge but ulimatley if you don't try out the techniques you've been taught you're only holding yourself back. I've never been scolded for trying to improve, quite the opposite. I've had encouragement when I've tried to step things up and use technique and not just brute strength.

- See my above point and also recognize that Askari (as abrasive as he can be) was essentially correct on this point. It is always the teacher's fault when the student fails. He was just nicer at saying it that I am. When you are unsuccessful at say, knocking my teeth out and preventing the skull fucking, Siju Jacques Patenaude has failed you!

You have a point for sure. What is the measuring stick of FSD instructors? I don't know. I've spoken to both Sifu Scott and Sif Pat about there bouts. Not in a bragging way, they were just shooting the shit after class. I've seen the newspaper article on the walls of the schools. I really have no doubt they did what they say they did. (Can I prove it, no. But just because you guys can't prove they did either does not mean they did'nt. You just have'nt been given the proof yet. I know I'll take a beating over that but until you can prove they did not compete the jury is still out...)

- Ah, but again that evil evil Askari kid was correct. Not only can my students ask me for my competition record but they can varify my statements through FCFighter.com and my fight is even on video that is sold on a website! I don't have to ask them to believe that I've done it, I can prove it. Secondly I have been written up by numerous newspapers and websites for my ability as a fighter. Finally, a good friend of mine brought my name up with another TKD fighter he knew (who not only competes for another organization but is a generation behind me) and this guy knew who I was!

Trackable, provable and, easily validated!

There is no doubt that FSD think the are better than aybody else. I've seen that said and read it too. Why would they bring in other schools if they are the best...

Well what can I say about that? I'll defend their self defense because I really beleive it good but to say you are the best and discourage students from trying other styles. I do not agree with that.

- Please read what you wrote and recognize it for the horror show statement that it is. You start by identifying a flaw then you follow up this identification with a blatantly contradictory statement. As I said before, if it's truly that good....

4.) A belief that your 'shit does in fact stink'. No one is infallible and its the humility that above all give an instructor the edge to push his students.

I've never done that to an instructor no. I've done things with assistant instructors on tests but never to an instructor.
To be honest I've never even considered it. That might take some additional thought.
But I've never felt that an instructor thought they were better than me either.

Hope this helps!

Sure did!

- Your above quote speaks volumes in contradiction to what you say here. All I ask is that you realize there are some fundamental flaws not only in what you are learning (keep in mind that it is a fairly well documented fact that a few weeks of Jiu Jitsu was all it took to pimp an FSD instructor in a fight) but in what you are being told. I just hope that you are a student truly seeking answers and not an instructor trolling for info. Either way, my initial statement stands.

TKD

Shit I got a black belt from Diesel does that make me bad ass?

[It is Fake]

Now enhanced you need to listen carefully to TKD.

What he has shown you is the difference between training blind and training with your eyes wide open.

My goal when I trained was to beat everyone in my school including my instructor.

Now, you are probably cringing. You are probably saying OMG that is so disrespectful.

Ask yourself why? We are taught to try our best all through our early years in life. Suddenly, when we join a MA, we must be subservient.

Well that is cult mentality. They beat you down and build you up in their image.

Answer these question.

Why shouldn't you want to be the best?
Why would an instructor want to hold back techniques?
Do you fear your instructor or your instructor's skill?


You believe that your skills can save you. I know my training will give me the chance to save my self.

There is a difference.

[Stringfellow]

Hmm, Stringfellow does this mean you've mastered Secret Elbow Strike 12?

I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you with it while you stand motionless and unresisting.

[Crazy Mount]

I've never done that to an instructor no. I've done things with assistant instructors on tests but never to an instructor.
To be honest I've never even considered it. That might take some additional thought.
But I've never felt that an instructor thought they were better than me either.

Enhanced,

I'm curious as to why you've never considered trying to take your instructor down or try to get the better of him. I mean by doing so you're testing your skills right, and in a friendly sparring situation, right?

Just curious, cause I think you know why you don't, but haven't really amitted it to yourself yet. Are you afraid? Are they just too great of Martial Artists? Just curious, and I think it's a fair question.