Fang Shen Do

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TKD-
That surprises me. In a real fight it's all made up as you go right? would'nt you want to add that to your training?
For sure you want to practise specific techniques like you have said but at some point don't you need to just spar and experiment?

I think courage can be bulit, you just need experience and a point of reference of a victory to see that you can be great if you try. (yeah yeah yeah... pass me a kleenex boo hoo)
But seriously some times people need to go through tough things (like FSD training camp) to see that they are stronger that they thought.

[marcdscott]

\I think courage can be bulit, you just need experience and a point of reference of a victory to see that you can be great if you try. (yeah yeah yeah... pass me a kleenex boo hoo)
But seriously some times people need to go through tough things (like FSD training camp) to see that they are stronger that they thought.

Here is the thing, you can become a better fighter, in better shape, in a much more positive environment for a fraction of the cost of what FSD charges.

If you enjoy FSD go ahead and do it for the enjoyment but bear in mind that it is not the ultimate style of fighting, as it advertises itself. It is a hybrid form of Kung-fu where the priority is the making of money, not the making of good students.

JP has done a lot of shitty things over the years to all his top students who are not from his family. They constantly have falling outs and leave him, why do you think that happens? What, or who is the constant in the equation?

Do you want to learn from a man who tells his students to slash the tires of other instructors and resorts to bullying to get his point made?

[It is Fake]

When we spar it's not to hurt the other guy. At higher levels after you've got some experience then you're encouraged to go harder.

Damaged and hurt are two different things. This is what low contact MCDojos like to blur. You need to be dazed, confused, tired, and yes hurt when you are sparring realistically.

How do you learn to use technique if you are knocking each other out?
Trust me I understand what you're saying and I think it's important to use realism.
But for somebody like me I'm learning to become comfortable with somebody hitting me. Not everyboy is as OK with that as some of you seem to be.

Quit being obtuse.

No you don't understand.

We just said it is hard to KO someone. If someone is throwing close to KO power you will learn what works and what doesn't. EVERYTHING works at no damage speed.

Over the course of time I've really gotten more comfortable and relaxed in a sparring situatuon. I've been able to take stronger hits and keep coming, not back off and return those punches thrown.

You know no one is trying to hurt you so of course you are more comfortable..

[TKD Black Belt]

I think I might have to cut a cheque for 'Is it Fake' as he/she has managed to make most if not all of my points for me and has managed to work in a GRE word or two into the reply! Obtuse, man I love that word.

Enhanced, please quit focusing in on the aspects that you wish me to discuss and stick with what I wrote. I'm willing to bet I've been more than clear and rational in my post and the points raised are points I wish for you to address.

Do you learn how to KO someone by KOing people? No of course not, that would be ridiculous and dangerous. My two KOs came by way of a jump back kick and a knee. The jump back kick I had drilled a few million times in class (pads, heavy bag, walls and in free sparring) the knee, well that's just what knees do.

Realistic training has nothing to do with intensity or level of contact, realistic training is about adaptability and not being stuck in a xenophobic paradigmatic mindset that limits you from being able to react.

Also, you have failed to note that I address your concern of learning to push yourself in the tournaments/competition question that you have till now avoided. As any number of poster has pointed out there are numerous tournaments in your area for you to try out your skills and I promise you a $30 entrance fee (which might even come with a t-shirt!) is much better spent money than sniffing JP's shit in a bucket!

TKD

Just cause your sister knows who I am, doesn't mean you do!

[It is Fake]

He. Thanks for the compliment.

I hate Bullshido McDojo's, wasted better part of 12 years in one. Fortunately (or unfortunatley) I had realistic training partners who didn't listen to the rules. That is why I stayed so long.

Everything he is saying goes against what they taught at our school.

Sad thing is this is what we heard in all the scoldings we recieved for sparring to hard.

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Hey man I'm just drilling for info from somebody more advanced than I. I get bored talking about the same old shit and wanted to see what you had to say.

I really have not intentionaly avoided questions.

How's this? Just ask the questions plainly as I'm to obtuse to figure out wha vyou are getting at.

Why don't I go in tournaments?

I don't want to. Never have. Actually that was a selling point for me all those years ago when I started FSD training.
I think somebody called me a hobiest. That's fine.

[red-dragon]

[QUOTE=marcdscott
JP has done a lot of shitty things over the years to all his top students who are not from his family. They constantly have falling outs and leave him, why do you think that happens? What, or who is the constant in the equation?

Do you want to learn from a man who tells his students to slash the tires of other instructors and resorts to bullying to get his point made?[/QUOTE]


Marcdscott, you are exactly right. JP and family have been doing this sort of shit for years. As I have said before on this thread, "they are nothing but thugs masquerading as martial artist".

[TKD Black Belt]

Enhanced, these questions will come back to haunt you as I am very serious about persons being involved in McDojo's and useless arts. I have my own reasons which I can go into should you like, but as a recap here are my questions!

1.) Training the same static situations with the same partners and then (as more than one person has commented) a sparring session in which these skills are not utilized does not help to learn them. I've seen BJJ clubs spend an hour on an armbar and then spar with the rule being you can only finish the match using an armbar.

- You still haven't answered this and I have clarified the question a number of times.

2.) Competition. When was the last time FSD competed outside of the walls and rules of FSD? Like I said, I have fought well outside my comfort zone and can speak directly to the effectiveness of say a 'jumping 360 spin kick' in a 'real' fight.

- Fair enough you don't have to compete, but what about your instructors? In BJJ your belt rank is tied into (amoung other things) your level of competition.

3.) Exposure to new and often contradictory ideas. This is probably the hardest thing for any school to do effectively but it is the best thing for the students and instructors. I remember training with my last coach in JJJ and one of our black belts who was going through the police training brought in 10 guys who were going through the program with him. These guys were all trained fighters in other styles but my coach felt it was good practice for us to train with and possibly lose to these guys.

- Still unanswered.

4.) A belief that your 'shit does in fact stink'. No one is infallible and its the humility that above all give an instructor the edge to push his students.

- Have you seen your instructors demonstrate this and how? As an example, I have had beginners that I was training sweep and almost submit me. I enjoy that as 'If you never fall, you're not pushing yourself.'

Hope this helps!

TKD

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Re: Tire slashing

I'll be the first to admit if that happened it's not right.

[It is Fake]

Answer the questions please. You asked for them clearly stated there they are.

[marcdscott]

"re: Tire slashing

I'll be the first to admit if that happened it's not right."

Absolutely happened, JP asked my ex-roomate (who has since passed away) to do it. Had him do all sorts of stupid thuggery.

[Slug]

Ancient Family Secrets

I wanted to point out something i noticed in one of the FSD videos.

The family members, when JP goes into a 'bai jong' after talking about his 'martial way' assume sort of an 'iron spine' structure (look at the hips and shoulders)... the poor schmuck that isnt a family person just stands there in what looks like a text book 'gaurd' not knowing the details of the family secerts.

The reason that alot of wing chun type 'crap' is weak assed is because they neglect to teach the proper mechanics of the stance. I guess the family keeps it to themselfs to keep the advantage over students, is this part of the problem???

But I guess this is where 'retention' lies in the guise of deeper knowledge.

I am not blaming the art,... I am blaming the teachers. Try throwing a 'Taun Sao' at a person actually trying to take your head off with out proper structure, chances are he will go through you like a hot knife through butter.

Proper alignment is crucial in any martial art such as BJJ or whatever, it helps the technique work... you shouldn't have to pay 'extra' to be taught something proper in the first place, nor join a secert training club that practises at 12 midnight.

Details that make things work better should be taught from DAY ONE...not after months of bad practise. Not sure whats going on but I notice different details in the Clan then in the students from the videos posted so far.

As a teacher you should want students to be better then you as a testament to your teaching abilites .

Slug

[BoardHitBack]

He who is a teacher from the very heart takes all things seriously only with reference to his students ‑ even himself.

Do you think sijo should start reading less tony robins bullshit and more nietzsche?

[Shawarma]

"re: Tire slashing

I'll be the first to admit if that happened it's not right."

Absolutely happened, JP asked my ex-roomate (who has since passed away) to do it. Had him do all sorts of stupid thuggery.

Not to belittle the memory of your friend, but you do realize that your friend who has "very conveniently passed away" (some would say) is not really a very credible source of information on this.

[Stringfellow]

Realistic training has nothing to do with intensity or level of contact, realistic training is about adaptability and not being stuck in a xenophobic paradigmatic mindset that limits you from being able to react.

This is exactly what I noticed once I left. In FSD being better simply meant that you could go harder. My stance was always "proper" and I executed all of my techniques exactly as I'd been taught. Using this approach in my first sparring match after FSD I got owned and owned good.

Once I threw out the 11 points to remember about my stance, and threw the occasional kick from my rear leg (in FSD nearly all kicks are from the lead), and got myself out of that "xenophobic paradigmatic mindset" as TKD so appropriately put it, I actually felt something come back that I hadn't felt in years - instinct. And this time, instead of fighting it, I went with it. My fighting has been improving ever since, and I'm certainly more adaptable. Sometimes I'll pull a move in a fight and I don't even know what it is - I'll just make it up. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. either way I learn something new.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't drill specific techniques, and there are still important principles to keep in mind (e.g. not giving up your back, keeping your guard up, etc.), and repetitive drilling will make a given technique more natural (and faster) in a fight. The difference is that now I'm free to mix and match and play around as I see fit, instead of having to follow the recipes that FSD laid out. I mean, they always talked about experimenting, but you never really were given an opportunity. In drills, you had to follow the pattern, period. In sparring, you might get lucky enough to get a partner who's on the same wavelength, but just as often the other guy just wants to show how hard he can go, and so you have to stick to he basics.