Fang Shen Do

[TKD Black Belt]

You are totally wrong, This is an unnecessary and ignorant attack...

...on masturbation.

Don't make me break out the Matbattle links again....

TKD

[DAYoung]

The blatant self masturbation in the previous post is far too much evidence in that direction.

You are totally wrong, This is an unnecessary and ignorant attack...












...on masturbation.

[TKD Black Belt]

I wouldn't be so paranoid to assume that everyone that speaks up for FSD is a Sifu -- people who go usually enjoy it and will defend their school. Most MA schools are like this, as are most clubs and associations in general -- like TKDBB's comment about the ladies doing the Aquafit at the Y -- you start diss'n aquafit to them and ya better hold on to your panty-hose ladies and gentlemen.

But for FSD to be taken more seriously:

Not to argue with your position here as I completely agree with it, but this is probably the 10th time this has been brought up.

Most recently in my last post to FSD. I would have to disagree though and would almost guarantee this is a Sifu posting or dictating the post. The blatant self masturbation in the previous post is far too much evidence in that direction.

Oh well, one can only hope they are sitting down with their pencils and paper scripting another post for a thread that they claimed was 'dead' a few weeks back.

TKD:new_blowi

[TheDingo]

I wouldn't be so paranoid to assume that everyone that speaks up for FSD is a Sifu -- people who go usually enjoy it and will defend their school. Most MA schools are like this, as are most clubs and associations in general -- like TKDBB's comment about the ladies doing the Aquafit at the Y -- you start diss'n aquafit to them and ya better hold on to your panty-hose ladies and gentlemen.

But for FSD to be taken more seriously:
a) Since it claims to be effective, why not do competitions? The style and the athlete will speak for themselves. The most effective way to quiet the naysayers is to PROVE them wrong, publically.

b) I'd like their marketing to MAKE SENSE along with their image. I don't want to get into a Tony Robbin's power within motivational thing when I do a martial art. Breaking arrows, glass and fire walking aren't really that spectacular. I used to busk a fire act a couple of years ago (fire eating / breathing / etc) and it really wasn't that difficult, it looked much harder than it was -- you just needed to know the basic insight behind it on how not to get hurt. But I digress.

c) Taking a cue from a previous post (I can't remember who said it), it is like that guy in grade 9 who thought he was a ninja -- there is a serious immaturity about being a wickedly deadly cool lethal dark ninja of doom thing going on. My first 4 classes in ju-jitsu has had a much more mature approach to self defense than I saw in a year of FSD.

d) It's nice the sJP is coming out about his past -- which has never been disclosed. It will be interesting to read (but not buy, I'll hang out in chapters and take a skim through it), but it's autobiographical, and probably self published through a vanity press (like the last book which I had bought... though I wish I hadn't oh well) -- and probably the sales will be targetted to members of their schools. All this lowers the credibility of the book to me before I have even read it.

e) Not going directly into costs, but they are high on the recruit factors. For many of the seminars, firewalking/kuboton/etc NON MEMBERS actually pay less or got in for free. The Sifu at the school I attended wanted us to bring non-members to seminars, and there was even a recruitment drive in 2005 we would get perks from bringing in new members (I think it was a free month. I probably don't have the letter around anymore, it was last year afterall).

I understand wanting to recruit people, but having a kuboton seminar where it only cost money if you were a club member? It's that against the advantage of being a club member? Hmmmmmmm. That smacks of Kool-Aid to me.

[edited due to the last paragraph not making any sense....]

[n00b]

Just a note.

It's not surprising, the reaction. Seriously. If you have not got anything better to judge by, and probably the vast majority don't, then your first couple of years at FSD are *really* fun. They emphasize physical fitness with the interval training, it's great fun, the sifus ARE very gung-ho and you get to see people in much better shape than you telling you that the training you are undergoing is how they got that way.

Im my experience, Sifus are always willing to do what they ask you to do, which puts them a step up on a lot of places, and they are very fast, strong, and agile. When doing FSD drills, naturally, they are light years ahead of normal students, and this is all VERY impressive.

As well, especially if you are out of shape, your body changes pretty much before your very eyes, as the classes don't FEEL like a workout class (although you will get sick of eye of the tiger. *grin*). You're having fun, generally making some friends in your belt level, training hard, and the pounds are melting off, muscle is growing, you're feeling awesome. I have no trouble at ALL with most people in the 1-2 year range being very much 'believers'. They can see themselves getting better and better at an incredible rate. AND they never get hit by non FSD people, so they get 'effective' within the club's world.

I'm not making excuses for the weird stuff, but it's perfectly understandable how they feel. Now imagine being a sifu. Except for Scott, they've all been in since childhood. This is all they have ever known. Convincing them of *anything* will be a long slog. Which is too bad, cuz that dragon logo is BADASS, man.

[Trollzfeckaff]

Is it just me or does Shadow Ragno's post read like an infomercial.

Sijo Ragno would've been a more fitting username mate... just for future reference.

[red-dragon]

Stop sniffing the dog shit, Shadow Ragno, come up for air.

[TKD Black Belt]

Don't talk to the man in the white dobak....

TKDBB: "I guess he did some staged 'jumping a guy in the washroom' drills to?" - actually, I believe 'the elevator' might fit that description pretty well. 4 foot square box?

"Okay, so you wait for his fly to be down and then you pounce like a tiger!" I can just see these drills, being practised to the sounds of Eye of the Tiger....

Its the eye of the tiger,
its the thrill of the fight
rising up to the na na na na na naaaaaaa

I can't remember the lyrics.

TKD:bbd:

[n00b]

TKDBB: "I guess he did some staged 'jumping a guy in the washroom' drills to?" - actually, I believe 'the elevator' might fit that description pretty well. 4 foot square box?

[TKD Black Belt]

First off, hello. How you doing. I'm sure someone has already warned you about the big bad TKD BB so I'll try and be nice for your first post. Apparently grammar isn't a big thing for FSD students. Oh well. You'll learn.

Also for credibility when pimping FSD you might want to list it as your style.

So I read, and then read again the article on Stringfellow's opinion about Fang Shen Do Kung Fu. I respect everyone's opinion, and I appreciate what Stringfellow has to say. However, I have been a Fang Shen Do Student for over one year, I am a proud BBC member, have attained the blue sash level, and the gains that I have achieved both physically and mentally are outstanding. Say what you will about this system of Kung Fu, you must admit that it is not all negaitive.

- Actually that is what we're saying. It is all bad. Listen just cause you put a Yugo on the same track as a Ferrari doesn't mean its comparable. You sure this is your first post because Mansfield made very similar errs in logic and these tend to be very specific to individuals.

I take advantage of as many classes as possible training between 8 to 10 hours a week with the Sifus in Montreal and Laval, and have been treated with great respect by each of them and have felt like part of their family. I don't care that I pay 175$ a month, so what!!

- Never been a debated issue. You guys bring it up. Is it expensive? Yes, I could train with Rickson for less. But if you can afford and justify it go nuts. (ps - We already know you're a Seafood so you shouldn't try and plug yourself so much or so directly)

Where can you go and get an intense, amasing workout these days in martial arts where the energy levels of all students is so obviously positive, intense, and inspiring??

- The YMCA? Seriously, them old ladies in the AquaFit are seriously psyched about being there.

I respect all Kung Fu martial arts, including the traditional systems of Wing Chun, Hung Gar, and Shaolin, however, Fang Shen Do is more than just learning martial arts. It is physical coditioning, relief of stress, gratification with instant rewards and long term effects.

- So's masturbation what's your point? You guys should sit down and collectively come up with a 'one step' marketing campaign. Here I'll help, "Feng Shen Do is ____" see how easy that was?

I don't know which Club Stringfellow belonged to, but the Clubs I train at our highly effective.

- So Seafood you admit that not all FSD clubs are created equal. Hmm, that sort of knocks a big hole in your arguement doesn't it?

On more than one occasion I had to put my skills to use in real confrontations, and so far I was on the standing end of the ordeal. Come on, be honest, being a martial artist is totally within. Whatever style you train with and whatever school you attend is not what makes you the utlimate fighter.

- Listen Tiger, why don't you contact Keith Crawford at KOTC and put your money where your mouth is? Shouldn't be too hard to find someone for you to demonstrate the deadly effectiveness of FSD.

It is who you are! when i started training in Fang Shen Do, I was obese, slow, weak, and totally not motivated. Within one year, I have put on muscle mass tha is so outsanding, lost so much fat on my body, gained speed, strength and confidence, and have positive motivation. But it wasn't Sijo JP or my Sifus who did this for me, I did it, with their guidance. With their example. All the Sigus are in tremendous shape. They are a perfect example of what a martial artist should look like (male and female).

- That's so nice of you to say about yourself. Listen see the masturbation comment above, apparently I wasn't that far off the mark there, was I?

So what if they don't compete in events or tournaments,

- You don't seriously believe that right? No I mean come on that's about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

so what if Sijo trained with a Bruce Lee student (James W. DeMile) or not. Not's not the important thing here.

- Actually considering the amount of time Seafood has committed to convincing people that he has, it is a small issue. Also please see the above comment regarding marketing, you guys should at least read your own press releases.

I used to be one of those guys who that that if you really wanted to learn martial arts, then you should be taught by some old oriental fellow or his descendants and do all sorts of bullshit forms or katas to become a martial artist. BULLSHIT! Man if you can trap your opponent, kick and punch the shit out of him using all the weapons of your body, take down or grapple and close with finishing blows, than you are an accomplished martial artist. And guess what, you learn all of these things in Fang Shen Do.

- See once again this is not being debated. Pat Miletich is a very accomplished first generation trainer/fighter. The difference between him and Seafood is that Pat has always been an open book and Pat has always devileved on his promises. Is anyone doubting the skills of Matt Hughes outside of the ring in self defense?

I often seek guidance from the Sifus, and they have always been more than kind in sharing their views. Their advice has only helped me in the long run. So they bad mouth other systems. That's ok, no? If you are so proud of something you do or own, then why promote something else?

- Oh yah, oh yaaah, oh oh oh f*ck yah that feels good. Sorry, I figured you were enjoying yourself so I might as well jump in.

I am pretty certain that I can kick anyone's ass who has trained as long as me in whatever style, and if I don't, then so what! It doesn't mean that Fang Shen Do failed me, or benefited me. The animal is within, and if you don't know how to harness it, then no training will make you win fights.

- That's right Seafood, none of the blame is your if your students fail. Fuck me is that a scary statement. Why don't you come back to me when you have daughters or a GF who wants to learn how to actually defend herself and tell me if that statement still holds true.

- Oh, I haven't trained day one in FSD so you should be able to 'kick my ass' pretty good, huh?

Stringfellow also mentioned that Fang Shen Do students are not tught how to deal with real confrontations. WOW, couldn't be more wrong. We have ctualy done role playing in class where we pretended to be sitting down in a metro car and someone attacked us, or at times we pretended to be at a bus stop waiting for the bus and were attacked and taught how to deal with it. There is so much intensity in each class and sweat and conditioning and skill that whether or not I am a Kool aid drinker I love it and keep going back for more.

- Tell me you're kidding right? Did Seafood build a cedar buss stop and mock cedar metro car next to his pagoda? Man are you delsional. I guess he did some staged 'jumping a guy in the washroom' drills to?

- By the by, Kool-Aid drinker is not a good thing, or something easily dismissed.

Oh and yes, why pay $175 for that, well, to be honest with you, because there are no schools that charge less than that that offer you what Fang Shen Do does, not in Quebec any ways. I can train 7 days a week, take regular classes, BBC classes, weapons classes, spar every day if i want, all for this low price. There are day and evening and late evening classes. There are weekend classes, private classes, and some darn good seminars.

- And if you act now not only will you get a copy of sJP's book but we'll throw in a set of steak knives! Dude, someone predicted the 'late night' marketing stunt already, yet here you are.

Oh, and about the seminars, i was never forced to take any. Sifu would make an announcement once a week about the upcoming seminars, and you can sign up or not, student's choice. So why pay for seminars?? Let me tell you why! A seminar lasts between 2-3 hours long, and is very intensive. Would you or I work 2-3 hours in one day without getting paid? Hell NO! We need money to survive, and we all want to make a nice living.

- But wait there's more, if you act now you can get sJP's songs of love from the upcoming mega blockbuster KUNG FU LOVE!

This bullshit that true martial arts masters are supposed to be old, wise, and poor is a farce. If martial arts schools were not financially successful, then there wouldn't be any around and we would become extinct.

- You know what I have a job outside of training/coaching. I do this so that I maintain a professional distance from my students and clients. When I maintain a professional distance I am able to make decisions based not on 'how will this affect my bottom line' but rather 'is this good for this person'. Farce is a good word, the farce is in anyone thinking that FSD doesn't follow the first line of thinking.

Again, I respect what you have to say Stringfellow, but I think you are just a little dissapointed with all the money you have spent, and with the little gains you have achieved. Maybe somewhere during your training, you weren't inspired enough and lost interest, thus neglecting what you could have learned in class and let yourself go. Good luck to you. I am a martial artist with a black belt in Shotokan karate, and now a blue sash in Fang Shen Do Kung Fu, and I am darn proud of it!!

Shadow Ragno

- Ah, once again the student is the one to blame when failure occurs. I would suggest reading Sun Tzu a little more carefully. I would specifically direct your attention to the Concubine Army story. When you've better armed yourself we'll talk. I'd continue the arguement but it would be better if you arrived armed for a battle of minds.

TKD

"A ninja made me do it!"

[shadow beast]

Hey SB. This is not me jumping on you, but I am a bit confused. You are CURRENTLY taking shotokan? I thought you were now doing vale tudo. Or are you doing vale tudo at a shotokan club? Or is it enhanced that is taking vale tudo? Or are you training at more than one MA club at a time?

It sounds to me like whatshisname got an extra large glass of KoolAid.

sorry if i confused you..

I am cross training now, i just started vale tudo this week, and i started back at my old shotokan karate club last week, sometimes i like to cross train :D

and its at 2 different places.

[Cdnronin]

To all bullshitdo member:

Due to popular demand and a curiosity by the public (through internet postings), Grandmaster (Sijo) J. Patenaude will be publishing his 5th book, detailing the origins of his martial art: FANG SHEN DO. The book is scheduled to appear under the title: Fang Shen Do; The True Story.

For more information, please check this link:

http://www.learnkung-fu.com/pressrel...ue%20story.htm


Thank you

Management

Wow, you have definitely found an untapped market on this board. I might read it at Chapters. If you get some that come back due to coffee damage, that would be from a group of us snorting coffee through our noses at the pathetic attempts to make JP into some kind of martial arts demi-god. Hot starbucks double mocha lattes hurt, especially with the cinamon sprinkled on top!

[PeterPantsless]

I think people have heard enough of Jacques Patenaude's "truth".

Cee-Joooo! Love the damage control, though.. It means this thread is working.

[Haru_the_larger]

Again, I respect what you have to say Stringfellow, but I think you are just a little dissapointed with all the money you have spent, and with the little gains you have achieved. Maybe somewhere during your training, you weren't inspired enough and lost interest, thus neglecting what you could have learned in class and let yourself go. Good luck to you. I am a martial artist with a black belt in Shotokan karate, and now a blue sash in Fang Shen Do Kung Fu, and I am darn proud of it!!

Shadow Ragno

Seriously. C'mon now. This is your first post and you come out flaming. Flame Stringfellow. Flame many posters with generic comments. Make STUPID claims of being able to kick anyone's ass. Guy, you have been guzzling the KoolAid.

It is a good workout of course. Does that make it a good martial art? I've been there, as have many of the people posting on this thread. All I can hope for your sake is that you wake up sooner than later. Whoosh young grasshopper.

[Cdnronin]

[QUOTE=Shadow Ragno]So I read, and then read again the article on Stringfellow's opinion about Fang Shen Do Kung Fu. I respect everyone's opinion, . I don't care that I pay 175$ a month, so what!! Where can you go and get an intense, amasing workout these days in martial arts where the energy levels of all students is so obviously positive, intense, and inspiring??

Hmm, just a guess, but maybe a judo club, any muay thai class, heck from that description a TAe-bo class.





when i started training in Fang Shen Do, I was obese, slow, weak, and totally not motivated. Within one year, I have put on muscle mass tha is so outsanding, lost so much fat on my body, gained speed, strength and confidence, and have positive motivation.

which, let me guess, none of that happen during the time it took you to get a black belt in Shotokan. How long ago did you get your black belt that your skills deteriorated to the point you were slow and weak(not the usual description of a Shotokan black belt)





BULLSHIT! Man if you can trap your opponent, kick and punch the shit out of him using all the weapons of your body, take down or grapple and close with finishing blows, than you are an accomplished martial artist. And guess what, you learn all of these things in Fang Shen Do.

And guess what? If you can trap someone for real, you're awesome, but how come someone like Eric Paulson, with all his JKD skillz never traps in his fights? Could it be because it doesn't work? Read the article on Scott Hill's fight, as much as it glorifies his win(and there are rumours it was fixed), never does he mention trapping. Even your hardcore sifus don't use it in a real fight, wonder why?




I often seek guidance from the Sifus, and they have always been more than kind in sharing their views. Their advice has only helped me in the long run. So they bad mouth other systems. That's ok, no? If you are so proud of something you do or own, then why promote something else? I am pretty certain that I can kick anyone's ass who has trained as long as me in whatever style, and if I don't, then so what! It doesn't mean that Fang Shen Do failed me, or benefited me.

So, if you loose to someone of equal skill and experience, it is not the failing of your training? If you can beat up a drunken construction worker, does that prove the superiority of FSD?