Fang Shen Do

[Corvus]

Do some research on Martial Arts before claiming how good Fang Shen Do is. If you do not know who the Dog Brothers are, you are completely lacking in knowledge about Martial Arts and have no basis for expertese.

Google is your friend, you will never find a Bullshido thread or a thread anywhere on the internet criticizing the Dog Brothers.

Where did I state anywhere in my posts that I said I was an expert in Martial arts?

So, by your standard - ONLY martial artists who fight in Pride are worthy of your respect?

What's your Pride record?

[Cdnronin]

[B]Hello boys, just dropped in to see what condition my codition was in, if you follow my flow! Listen, here's the thing and its actually very easy to follow.

A story is floating around that a guy with a few lessons in the ancient art of Find'em and Hit'em pimped a Fang Shen Don't Sifu.

Why in all that is silly and gay in the world of silk pajamas and slipperswould you not want to question the effectiveness of you style?!?

I had a friend who bought his first car in Grade 10. He loved that car, but it was a Pinto!!! YOU'RE DRIVING THE PINTO OF THE MARTIAL ARTS COMMUNITY!!!!

TKD
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Wow! Burned by TKD.That's low.

[Askari]

Video Analysis

So lets do an analysis of that Phon Sao Video shall we?

Partner A is the initial Attacker,
Partner B is the initial defender.

Partner B (The short guy on the right with the yellow belt) nods his head to let his attacker know that he is confident and that now is the time to attack.

Partner A (That's the bigger guy on the left) throws a fully extended punch that stops well short of Partner B's head. Contemptously waiting until after the punch comes to a complete stop, Partner B then raises his hand in some sort of blocking motion, perhaps intended to be a Bong Sao that rolls to a Ton Sao, only perhaps visualizing that he is swating a fly.

Partner B then traps the fully extended arm that is still sitting with the fist in front of his face (using what vaguely like a Wing Chun Pak Sao, but low end) of Partner B and throws a punch that also stops fully extended about a foot short of Partner A's head. Partner A does a very soft Pak Sao (after the punch has already stopped) that Partner B will then Chin Sao around, but man that is a sloppy Chin Sao.

Partner B looks away from his attacker and proceeds to attempt to trap the forearms of his partner A downwards (these would usually be called a Chin Sao and a Gum Sao in Wing Chun) then to flick his fingers around the kneck of Partner A in what looks like an attempt at a series of edge of hand blows. Since Partner B is not in any way comparable to a Carl Cestari, Partner A suffers no damage.

View This Video

[Askari]

So, by your standard - ONLY martial artists who fight in Pride are worthy of your respect?

Almost exactly that, and yes my rank certificates are signed by a Pride Champion, who signed yours?

I respect anyone who is legit in what they teach, MMA is not my only benchmark. I like people that wear the belts their instructors gave them and claiming only that which they are capable of doing.

So I would and do choose to train with people who will always treat their students with respect and honesty. This doesnt matter if I was training Wing Chun or Jiu-Jitsu or BJJ, honesty and respect from the instructor is step one.

There does exist good and honest Chinese Martial Arts. It is not found in Fang Shen Do.

Corvus, There is a constant claim to know that Fang Shen Do is the best of the best, Do you have any experience to corroborate this? My initial Dog Brothers post was intended for the other FSD poster who has recently come out of the woodwork. I suggest becoming educated on the Martial Arts that are similiar to your own in order to judge that which you are learning.



Edited to add: I can walk up to anyone I have ever had as an instructor and ask him or her who their instructor was and look at their certificates. This is normal. If you can not do this with your instructor then you have a problem that is a lot greater then your hurt fealings because you are just now realizing you were duped.

Think about it, can you really ask Jacques Patenaude as your instructor to see all of the certificates from his instructors and his history?

[TKD Black Belt]

A convicted coke dealer from QC......

Oh wait were you talking to me? We've had a few questionable characters in TKD over the years ;)

TKD

PS - Ronin, you sound surprised that I would be able to flex a little verbal muscle!

I'm comfortable enough in my own sexuality to roll around with other men but there's no way in hell I'm wearing silk pajamas!

[Cdnronin]

I've hijacked the video clips to start a new thread for technical discussion in the YOUR MARTIAL ART IS OK BY ME section of the newer, kinder, gentler Bullshido. http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32845

[It is Fake]

Okay back to the fight. If 2 sifu's won a MMA event wouldn't this help your argument corvus?

I mean it is now a rumor but we have had no less than 5 people state there is evidence or a MMA fight.

Are you confirming these articles aren't up in the school as stated?

Or, are you so new that they have been removed prior to your arrival?

[TKD Black Belt]

Okay back to the fight. If 2 sifu's won a MMA event wouldn't this help your argument corvus?

Absolutely, this would be like having the head cheerleader's panties. (You can play with that one as you see fit although I suspect a strong fimilarity with women's underwear comes more out of wearing them than any other means.)

mean it is now a rumor but we have had no less than 5 people state there is evidence or a MMA fight.

Riiiiiight, and last night I picked up two really hot girls, but they live out of town, somewhere you wouldn't have heard of and um, they don't have phones and um like they can't email me or anything cause their dad is like a cop........

you confirming these articles aren't up in the school as stated?

Shovels for sale! Great big shovels, great for digging holes and widening existing ones.

, are you so new that they have been removed prior to your arrival?

Oh now, Sifu's been there since day one....... Oh, I'm sorry I mean yes, he's new in fact he's only just got his silk nylons for the outfit.

TKD :glasses13

[PeterPantsless]

As to the effectiveness of FSD, what if I told you that I know a guy who, after some "real" grappling training, sparred Martin Patenaude and not only took him down but mounted him (i.e. sat on his chest)?

I would love to hear more details on this story.

[Stringfellow]

Information Asymmetry

I just recently finished an interesting book by Steven D. Levitt and Stephen J. Dubner, called Freakonomics

[Corvus]

Well, not sure how much crow I've got to eat on this one.....:spanky:

Long story short (with details to follow later...when the dust settles), I got "passed a glass of kool-aid" yesterday. Suffice it to say my eyes are officially open.

[Askari]

Hi Corvus,

About a a decade and a half ago I remember vividly the first time I sparred with someone who trained Jiu-Jitsu. He subed me with a rear-naked choke in about 12 seconds.

I have never regreted that friendly sparring match, or having my eyes opened.

[It is Fake]

Well, not sure how much crow I've got to eat on this one.....:spanky:

Long story short (with details to follow later...when the dust settles), I got "passed a glass of kool-aid" yesterday. Suffice it to say my eyes are officially open.

Don't feel you have to eat crow. I went years defending my art before I ate crow. Sometimes you need a different perspective.

[JohnnyCache]

Well, not sure how much crow I've got to eat on this one.....:spanky:

Long story short (with details to follow later...when the dust settles), I got "passed a glass of kool-aid" yesterday. Suffice it to say my eyes are officially open.

Corvus

Crow

That's funny

What did they try to make you do?

[TKD Black Belt]

Sorry I'm late guys I was busy getting poo-poo ready for tonight's midnight session.

Did I miss anything?

TKD