Fang Shen Do

[BoardHitBack]

Ahahahahaha! Fang Shen Don't's incredible secret! Get your friend to hold him whilst you attack!

[TKD Black Belt]

I think a more important question is:

Do I have to wear the silk robes to be effective at FSD? I mean cause really, silk makes me look fat and it is so hard to find a hand bag that goes with the black silk outfit, and I'm not even going to mention pantyhose!

TKD

...but I mean that in a masculine way...

[BoardHitBack]

Don't worry TKD_BB, SIJO thinks of everything! The fitness you recieve as a part of FSD training will help you lose some unwanted poundage (teehee) and FSD also provides a new range of very stylish man bags and back packs in matching black silk. Now you can look the badass trained fighter FSD made you, and still draw the boys,um did I say boys I meant ladies who go for a sensitive well-dressed man in a cute ensemble! See back of contract for pricing!

[Askari]

The Other Team

There seems to be a consensus that certain members of the Fang Shen Do crowd are lacking in masculinity. Well we should really delve into their posts and see if this is true. From the very appropriately named Dic-69.

Dictionary69 wrote:
You seem to think that grappling is a secret thing and you only can do that if your in jjj well my man there is plenty of that in FSD. I guess you like rolling on the ground with guys too much sweety.

Well in that post, he tells us that those who grappling like it with guys who are "sweety." Note that it isnt Sweat that he is worried about but the Sweeties.
We also note that Dictionary69 trains with "The Instructor from Orleans." That we now know is Stephan Patenaude.

From Stephan, Dic-69 tells us that he
got the answers from the instructor without hesitation and plenty of one on one training in grappling and sparring and didn't have to pay for these services

We can probably safely assume these were at the late night "Inner Circle" training sessions.

Now this is not a conclusive investigation. But we can probably safely assume that at least Stephan Patenaude is in the closet on certain issues. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Personally I think that a persons right to choose their partners is their own business and not mine. But the extreme Homophobia exhibited by these people often is a harbringer of a hidden future - and can lead to violence against persons who are directly protected under the constitution of our country against the hate chrimes that can result from the repression exhibited in the posts by Dic(k)69 and Stephan Patenaude.

I'd bet that Stephan Patenaude desires so strongly to not be seen as playing for the other team that he goes so far as to cut his bananas before he eats them. Never wanting to be seen with a banana in his mouth.
:homo:

[Slug]

But has magic Bruce Lee Lineage he can give to me!

I bet this is the number one selling point was his old glory days with deMile
and the Bruce Lee connection.

The funny thing is for anyone that was/is 'enthralled' by Pateneaudes Bruce Lee 'connection' could hop on a plane themselves go to LA or Seattle and log in as many hours as Jaques did with deMile for less then a Year of FSD with all the trimmings. His instructors probably spent around 3-6 k just for the 'honor' to be his puppet then probably ?? k franchise fees?... once again why not spend that money elsewhere?


I think the other type of student likes the discipline they never got a home or perhaps looking for a father figure? Still if thats the case, go down to the local mission give some mean old drunk a few bucks to play your dad and have him yell at you for being a piece of crap. That should give you the FSD 'discipline' experience :)


Slug

[Haru_the_larger]

Shadow Beast - It would seem as though you have definitively decided against an FSD school. Good choice. I've had the opportunity to meet Sifu Brian and I am not a fan of his. I found him to be aggressive and arrogant. That is only my opinion though. I know other people who like him as an instructor. I am not at all surprised that he called you back a number of times. I am surprised that he stopped at three calls to be honest. They are definitely very persistent, often to the point of making people feel uncomfortable. I hope that by now you understand why people have reservations when it comes to believing your claims that you did not have an agenda. The sifus, and I am sure a number of FSD assistant instructors, have trolled through this thread. I am sure they still comb through the thread.

Someone mentioned the Patenaude family resembling the Dog the Bounty Hunter family. I had exactly the same thought not a week ago.

Another unfortunate teaching strategy, if you would like to call it that, of Sifu Martin, is to say "you should already know that," when people ask questions or when they do not immediately offer an answer to a question of his. As with most instructors I have had through FSD there have been many lessons that I have been at with Sifu Martin where I felt I had learned a lot and where he was decent to all the students. This thing he does, however, really makes me mad. It is the reason why I choose not to attend his classes. Embarrassment and humiliation are not good ways to inspire loyalty or confidence in my opinion. I also noticed that some of the other Sifus started to use this same method. When considering the statements I made in one of my other posts about the high probability of missing the teaching of certain skills depending on when you are in class, it becomes even more frustrating.

To confirm, Sijo's claims of being trained by an original Bruce Lee student were a drawing card for me and a number of other students that I have spoken to. When I started attending the school, it was one of the first things I told people when I explained what I was doing.

:eatbaby: - this is pretty much how I feel the FSD people, other than Sifu Scott, have treated me.

[shadow beast]

Shadow Beast - It would seem as though you have definitively decided against an FSD school. Good choice. I've had the opportunity to meet Sifu Brian and I am not a fan of his. I found him to be aggressive and arrogant. That is only my opinion though. I know other people who like him as an instructor. I am not at all surprised that he called you back a number of times. I am surprised that he stopped at three calls to be honest. They are definitely very persistent, often to the point of making people feel uncomfortable. I hope that by now you understand why people have reservations when it comes to believing your claims that you did not have an agenda. The sifus, and I am sure a number of FSD assistant instructors, have trolled through this thread. I am sure they still comb through the thread.

Someone mentioned the Patenaude family resembling the Dog the Bounty Hunter family. I had exactly the same thought not a week ago.

Another unfortunate teaching strategy, if you would like to call it that, of Sifu Martin, is to say "you should already know that," when people ask questions or when they do not immediately offer an answer to a question of his. As with most instructors I have had through FSD there have been many lessons that I have been at with Sifu Martin where I felt I had learned a lot and where he was decent to all the students. This thing he does, however, really makes me mad. It is the reason why I choose not to attend his classes. Embarrassment and humiliation are not good ways to inspire loyalty or confidence in my opinion. I also noticed that some of the other Sifus started to use this same method. When considering the statements I made in one of my other posts about the high probability of missing the teaching of certain skills depending on when you are in class, it becomes even more frustrating.

To confirm, Sijo's claims of being trained by an original Bruce Lee student were a drawing card for me and a number of other students that I have spoken to. When I started attending the school, it was one of the first things I told people when I explained what I was doing.

:eatbaby: - this is pretty much how I feel the FSD people, other than Sifu Scott, have treated me.

awesome reply, your right, i decided against it..

Now i am trying to figure out to take wing chun, or white crane -.- (both at the same place, lol)

i got a white crane class tonight to see if i like it, fun fun fun :icon_wink

[TKD Black Belt]

Hmmm, from kickboxing to kung fu. Aren't you going about your MA journey backwards?

Enjoy your class!

TKD

[shadow beast]

Hmmm, from kickboxing to kung fu. Aren't you going about your MA journey backwards?

Enjoy your class!

TKD

backwords? lol

you know i also did jiu jitsu and karate for a good while right? :thumbsup: :new_borgs :evil5:

[Cdnronin]

I bet this is the number one selling point was his old glory days with deMile
and the Bruce Lee connection.

The funny thing is for anyone that was/is 'enthralled' by Pateneaudes Bruce Lee 'connection' could hop on a plane themselves go to LA or Seattle and log in as many hours as Jaques did with deMile for less then a Year of FSD with all the trimmings. His instructors probably spent around 3-6 k just for the 'honor' to be his puppet then probably ?? k franchise fees?... once again why not spend that money elsewhere?


I think the other type of student likes the discipline they never got a home or perhaps looking for a father figure? Still if thats the case, go down to the local mission give some mean old drunk a few bucks to play your dad and have him yell at you for being a piece of crap. That should give you the FSD 'discipline' experience :)


Slug

Ironically, there are a couple of former FSD students/instructors who have gone on to align themselves with first and second generation Bruce Lee students, and I wish them all the best. I suppose they wanted something a little closer to the source.

[enhanced]

The one thing none of you can dispute is the effectivness of the system as far as self defense goes.

[Cdnronin]

The one thing none of you can dispute is the effectivness of the system as far as self defense goes.

And you are basing this opinion on what? The only thing I have heard or seen of this system that impresses me is the emphasis on agression. A bad attitude and lousy techniques can take you farther than great technique performed without conviction. Doubt that? How many times do you hear of a black belt in _______
system who got beat up by some street thug?

So are you saying the techniques in the system are superior to, let's say Wing Chun, or that it may give you the right mindset to defeat someone? My wife doesn't train in any style, mess with our kids, and you'll need more than a black sash to stop her from stomping you.

So what makes FSD so effective?

Are you claiming it is effective against another martial art? Are you saying it is effective against a drunk on the street? If the first, how would you know? FSD doesn't compete in open tournaments(except the famous Scott Hill event). Being effective against drunks is not a shining example of being effective. So please enlighten us, how did you determine the effectiveness of FSD? Did someone tell you how good it is? Have you defended yourself with it? If so, against who? Was your opponent trained? Most fights in bars over broads don't count for much, most folks can't fight anyways.

[marcdscott]

"The one thing none of you can dispute is the effectivness of the system as far as self defense goes."

Ummm and what do you base this on, I have seen the people Patenaudes called "the best" at his school and they all left to study from others, it seems that once they actually leave the school they admit their training was lacking. I have seen and sparred with a lot of his students. Aggression they have, but that only gets them so far.

[Haru_the_larger]

Let me be the first to say that "enhanced" is an FSD instructor. That is my guess. If not, my next guess is an assistant instructor.

Mr. Enhanced:

If you take the time to go back and read through the 50 pages in this thread alone you will see a number of questions and queries about FSD that no one, other than Sifu Scott Hill, has even attempted to answer. Among these questions are some related to the efficacy of the system. Can you answer to any of these questions in a manner that is factual and does not involved unsubstantiated boasting or threats?

[Cdnronin]

Let me be the first to say that "enhanced" is an FSD instructor. That is my guess. If not, my next guess is an assistant instructor.

I was leaning to interested bystander, but you may be right. By the way, enhanced, since your still online and reading, care to respond to any of my questions or Marc comments?