Fang Shen Do

[Cdnronin]

"Canadian grappling"


Wow. Take that, Brazil! :eusa_hand

Canadian grappling. Would dat be like the Canadian style or school? Would dat be Can-ryu?Tabernoosh, that name already taken. and I hear they ave a donut franchise too, Me, I gonna sell da vitamins.

[Cdnronin]

I want to show these to Paul Sharp. I'm thinking those straight blast guys would want to learn this.

[GreenHornet]

i got some big video for your viewing pleasure but I dont want any problem with copyrights... I got them on a cd that they distributed for free at the dojo... I would post them if someone can tell me that for sure I wont get in any copyrights trouble.

[TKD Black Belt]

Canadian grappling. Would dat be like the Canadian style or school? Would dat be Can-ryu?Tabernoosh, that name already taken. and I hear they ave a donut franchise too, Me, I gonna sell da vitamins.

That's when the bouncer at SuperSexe has to throw you out from grabbing at the dancers without having bought the required number of drinks!

TKD

Sorry for my Franglaise friends (in phonetics for the Americans):

Lor an, dats wen dat f'ker he done grab you cause like you wer try to talk to dancer cause che gots your car keys, eh! Tabarnak!

[rexkwon]

Video Four is a badly done chin drag, the chin should be pulled to the side and back as the other person is still going forward , Not after. If done right it give you something like a facemasking in football. Only work on some one who does not know what they are doing.

[Jaric]

Askari your research-fu is strong. And very very entertaining. And here I was thinking that the term 'grappling' meant one thing, and then to find out that FSD people have a different definition. And these guys had two of their teachers win MMA fights? Yeah......right....

[Sam Browning]

i got some big video for your viewing pleasure but I dont want any problem with copyrights... I got them on a cd that they distributed for free at the dojo... I would post them if someone can tell me that for sure I wont get in any copyrights trouble.

Free has nothing to do with it. Does the packaging have a (c) any where on it?

[jamboo]

PS - Jamboo I still have difficulty believing what you've said as I can speak from first had experience as to the level of Jiu Jitsu and kick boxing from that club. As far as what you describe, it doesn't seem that far off of where most people start in BJJ, block the big dumb punch, put bad guy on ground, arm bar bad guy. Oh well, looks like you're into the Judo now so no harm no foul.

I'm only speaking from my 2 months in their jiu jitsu program. It was much different from BJJ or judo. The stuff we were learning was not useful. I'm sure they train some real stuff with the higher belts. I saw the advanced classes drilling some submissions from guard. But I didn't feel like waiting around for a year before I could start learning some real stuff. Learning how to put my fingers in someoone's eye socket and silly punches and blocks from the horse stance are not what I was looking for. It just wasn't for me, and I've talked to several people who shared the same experiences. But it's obviously what some people are looking for. Everyone has their own reasons for getting into a martial art.

Here is Fang Shen Do's opinion of judo, that Askari found from the Ottawa Citizen in a 1996 article:
"One element that Patenaude has retained from the original system is the co-ordinated attack and defence strategy. Unlike judo or karate, kung-fu students do not throw their opponents onto mats, and most wear shoes to make their training as realistic as possible."

Judging from those videos, kung-fu students do not throw their opponents at all! That must be "Canadian grappling" :( And if they actually do throws and takedowns, they should teach their students to breakfall. Getting throw/taken down onto a hardwood floor would be hellish, especially if they are doing live sparring! To you guys who have trained FSD, do/did you actually train takedowns and throws as we know them (Greco Roman/Freestyle/Judo)?

[Askari]

Jamboo wrote:
and most wear shoes to make their training as realistic as possible.

So I wonder if wearing the costumes in the videos are an effort at realistic training?

If I find more, I will put them up, there arent any yet that I have found on Video google for example.

I keep thinking that last video looks like the "DEATH TOUCH"

So who will have the 400th post on this thread?

[PeterPantsless]

Green Hornet. I think I know the video cd you are talking about. I remember when it was distributed, the instructors told us to "show it to all our friends." While this does not answer the copyright issue, I seem to remember the end, and the song, "We are the Champions." Now besides the cliche factor, is there not copyright issues with the music? Would they have had to pay for it?

I've been searching high and low for my copy, and to be honest, I think it was was left behind in the last move.

Unfortunately, the current occupiers of my old apartment, are now privy to the deadliest techniques known to man.

[Cdnronin]

Corel Clip Art contains some pics of these guys:








Ok, so I'll have to work on this a bit.

I remember a Journal of Asian Martial Arts issue that had a bunch of pictures of Patenaude et al handling various weapons. I thought it was strange as there was no mention of FSD or anything in the article. I figured someone at Corel was a FSD student, so they had their instructors photographed for the Corel martial arts clip-art CD.

[Doctor X]

The Journal of Asian Martial Arts has yet to discover critical thinking.

--J.D.

[hawkmoon]

You know, my first thought after reading all 41 pages was " I can't believe I just read 41 pages and all I can remember is the dog poo..." maybe Patenaude wants FSD to be the new Scientology...

My second thought was... hey instead of kool-aid drinkers can we start calling the FSD crowd "poo sniffers"?!?!?

Hey they have a school in Toronto!! Maybe I should join up for the free month.... ummm maybe not.

I'll give them one thing tho... that red dragon sign is cool.


Hawkmoon

[Haru_the_larger]

It is funny. No matter how much people slam FSD, comments are often followed by "...but the red dragon logo is cool."

I can't think of any actual throws that I have learned. I've learned and seen takedowns that involve arm bars and wrist locks. I've learned and seen takedowns that involve knocking people over and shooting the legs. I can't think of anything that involved a hip toss or similar techniques.

Another weakness that has been exposed by the forced test schedule is that it is possible to go through a six month period and never see all the skills needed to pass a test. FSD have a giant binder for the instructors to refer to that contains a list of lessons for each sash level. My understanding is that there are "x" number of lessons for each sash and that the instructors start at lesson #1, go through all the lessons, then start over again. If you do not go every day then it is possible to miss a number of skills.

I know that a number of the FSD people who called out stringfellow mentioned the number of classes he attended. It is recommended in the FSD student handbook that students train two times a week and then train at home by my recollection. Training in this fashion almost promotes missing skills based on the way classes are taught.

The French-Canadian stuff seems a little unfair and cheap even for you guys. They are a french family. I don't think it is fair to harp on that. When the Patenaude's speak, they are translating as they go. I think it is fair to suggest better editing of the book to get rid of some of the obvious translation difficulties. The same could be said about the DVDs in that more editing might have helped.

Stringfellow's comment about the transformer and the woolen sock is perfect. That is exactly the feeling I had after I watched the first DVD. I also thought that perhaps it was a one off problem, and that lead to my feeling even more ripped off after I saw the second one.

[GreenHornet]

Free has nothing to do with it. Does the packaging have a (c) any where on it?

nope: