Fang Shen Do

[It is Fake]

You've had 8 classes of FSD any skills you had are gone.

[shadow beast]

Dang, if this doesn't cause the rats to run screaming from the ship....

Shadow Beast, let me translate for you what Sled Dog means by the comment. Neither of these guys won their fights. Sure one of them has a 'W' on his record, but neither of them should have been in the ring. This is what upsets me about idiots like SB. This sport is not like going for a run on the weekend. We train hard and are focused. Maybe you guys need to pony up and get in on some real fights. I'm sure we can convince Pete Rodely (sp?) or any of the other promoters out there to let you knuckle heads on a 'real MMA' card.

Failing that come out west. I can almost guarantee a KOTC undercard fight. MMA is not wrestling with your buddy any more than me playing touch football is getting on the field with a bunch of CFL/NFL players.

Sadly I think this will put the whole issue to bed. With little left to respond to I don't know what the Fag Shen Don't guys are going to come up with now. Perhaps like the Lada this will all go away. Fang Shen Do will close their doors, moron's like Shadow Beast will return to their neglected DnD games and Marcel and Pat can go back to hanging out in men's washrooms or other things...

- Hi, kids. Where's your father?
- He's upstairs masturbating to gay porn.
- Again?
- Yeah.
- Hey, kids.
- Hey, Dad.
- I was just taking a shower. Yep, just had myself a shower.

TKD

I am wondering TKD, why do you keep bring me up? with the name calling, stick to insulting some guys that fought and lied about them winning, i have nothing to do with them, i have no clue what the fuck your problem is, but you are starting to upset me, yeah when you reply to this type it in pink writing, making gay jokes about me and talking about i play video games or what ever, keep it your head that you are better then me, just let me know next time your in montreal.

[marcdscott]

From what I read by Sled Dog, one won his fight the other did not, hence "both" did not win their fights. So there is a 1-1 result.

[TKD Black Belt]

Last quote from Sled Dog on MMA.tv

...The two definitely did not win...

Dang, if this doesn't cause the rats to run screaming from the ship....

Shadow Beast, let me translate for you what Sled Dog means by the comment. Neither of these guys won their fights. Sure one of them has a 'W' on his record, but neither of them should have been in the ring. This is what upsets me about idiots like SB. This sport is not like going for a run on the weekend. We train hard and are focused. Maybe you guys need to pony up and get in on some real fights. I'm sure we can convince Pete Rodely (sp?) or any of the other promoters out there to let you knuckle heads on a 'real MMA' card.

Failing that come out west. I can almost guarantee a KOTC undercard fight. MMA is not wrestling with your buddy any more than me playing touch football is getting on the field with a bunch of CFL/NFL players.

Sadly I think this will put the whole issue to bed. With little left to respond to I don't know what the Fag Shen Don't guys are going to come up with now. Perhaps like the Lada this will all go away. Fang Shen Do will close their doors, moron's like Shadow Beast will return to their neglected DnD games and Marcel and Pat can go back to hanging out in men's washrooms or other things...

- Hi, kids. Where's your father?
- He's upstairs masturbating to gay porn.
- Again?
- Yeah.
- Hey, kids.
- Hey, Dad.
- I was just taking a shower. Yep, just had myself a shower.

TKD

[Goju - Joe]

Last quote from Sled Dog on MMA.tv

"The MMA event was run by a group known as WECF headed by Fernand Morneau. He was Charles Ali Nestor's teacher a while back. His place on Papineau in Montreal seems to be closed when I drive by.

The level did not seem to be that high (compared with the other shows in this area) The FSD guys were god awful bad, but as I said before, one did win. It occured at the same arena in Laval as the last TKO show. The two definitely did not win."

[Shawarma]

So, if this event was essentially Amateur Fight Night in FuttBuck, Tennessee, I gather that there weren't actually 5000 people and TV cameras in attendance?

[PointyShinyBurn]

Just a mistake in the article then?

[Askari]

Hi PSB,

Some accounts have his opponent tapping out twice, that is Scott Hill takes the guy down, the guy taps to strikes, the referee stands them back up, Hill repeats, taking the guy down, who then taps to strikes a second time.

This is entirely possible in some of these two-bit opperations where the referee is a buddy of the promoter and has no real training.

Given that there is no records on FCfighter or Sherdog, this was not likely a sanctioned event - given that part of sanctioning requirements for proffessional bouts is that the fight get registered publicly.


I like that the article claims it was a cage fight. This just adds to the whole Napolean Dynamite flavour that this discussion has had - or is that just when Shadow Beast is here?

[PointyShinyBurn]

Hill put a front choke-hold on the man below him

Can anyone take a guess at what this means? Did he win an MMA fight with a rape choke? While wearing boxing gloves?

[GreenHornet]

thank you for you have reminded me why I hate MAP.

About the thread on MMA.tv: I think sled dog is the dog bros. name of philipe gelinas owner of GAMMA. I talked to him a while ago when I was still in FSD he told something like: "there is no MA in the world that can make you invincible, FSD is ok, but they charge way too much, you don't need to pay 2000$ to learn how to fight."
yeah... it was my second step in the real world of MA, my first being bullshido.net

the definition of Irony: I found Bullshido.net browsing on the net, searching about bruce lee and effectiveness, because they wouldn't stop talking about that in FSD...

edit: yup I was right sled dog is philipes gelinas: http://www.montrealmartialarts.com/e...ml/dogBros.htm

[enhanced]

http://www.martialartsplanet.com/for...9&page=1&pp=15

Here is some more "great" FSD "discussion"

[TKD Black Belt]

HOLY CRAP ON A STICK AND UNDER YOUR NOSE BATMAN!

Well I guess this just goes to prove the truism: Idiots never travel alone.

This reads like a bad blog I read once (link to follow). Listen, just cause you watched a few movies doesn't make you any more qualified to write about it let alone do it! Wow, I'm stunned. Really deep down stunned that this is the infamous MMA event that was touted as proff off Fang Shen Do's prowess.

I'll leave the hacking of the story and event to others and will instead offer this as a bit of advice to SifuNoBS and others:

In public relations, spin is a usually pejorative term signifying a heavily biased portrayal in one's own favor of an event or situation. While traditional public relations may also rely on creative presentation of the facts, "spin" often, though not always, implies disingenuous, deceptive and/or highly manipulative tactics. Politicians are often accused of spin by their political opponents. (source Wikipedia)

Investigate this. How is it that large companies can completely f*ck up and yet walk away smelling like roses? They hire professionals to 'spin' the story. You guys need to stop writing your own press releases and leave it to professionals. Honestly, you guys suck. Hell I'd point out how bad at fighting you are but I'm sure someone will be along shortly to do that anyways.

Hmm, I'll have to look more carefully during the next UFC but I'm pretty sure BJM doesn't check their BOXING GLOVES and SHIN PADS before they enter the octagon. I could be wrong, I mean I did get hit during my fight. I'll ask my cornerman when we put on the BOXING GLOVES and SHIN PADS! This is not MMA people. This is fighting with training wheels.

TKD

I love the MMA.tv thread. No one has pulled one punch. You guys have pro fighters and hugely respected members of the MMA community bad mouthing this group.

[Stringfellow]

I wonder how much of that article Monk wrote himself and how much he was "handed". I might be going out on a limb here, but Scott Hill is the most literate of the FSD crew. He wrote the Fang Shen Do article for Black Belt magazine (Jan 2002 - hmmm should I scan it?), and I'm pretty sure that he "ghost-wrote" JP's latest book (i.e. taking JP's ideas and making full sentences out of them). There seems to be a fair amount of specifics about FSD that a journalist covering a fight story wouldn't normally care about. Could this be a pseudo-promo article, like we saw with the Sun's article?

Edit: I do notice, however, that there are spelling mistakes - Pat Marcil is called "Marciel" and Cambier is "Cambain" - so who knows?

[Askari]

This Marc Cambier (Source=Sherdog)?

0-1-0 in MMA loss to Todd Gouwenberg at TKO 15 in 2004.

[PeterPantsless]

I'm pretty sure the opponents name is actually Marc Cambier, and not Cambain. Man, if you can't rely on the Manotick Messenger for accurate reporting, I don't know who to trust!