Fang Shen Do

[BoardHitBack]

It seems that JP believes that everyone needs to honour their contracts and pay up, except when it means him.

Oh, another important point- all of the information I've seen indicates that JP has yet to pay. I guess he considers himself... above the law (cue Steven Segal).

Interesting find...so Jacques isn't one for honouring contracts himself. Do as I say, not as I do- just like his teaching style. :tongue11:

Runner- make some posts and PM me. I may have found a legit way to execute Operation Pink Passenger Pigeon.

[PeterPantsless]

Goddamit! Now the movie is going to be pushed back! I need my Kung Fu Love!!!

Watsup, Jacques?

[Stringfellow]

Hi everyone,

I'm a former member of FSD. Last summer I received an email from webmaster@learnkung-fu.com about Matrix-like screensaver and firewalkcanada.com.
The webmaster did a little mistake. He put all student's email adresses in the "TO" field so you can see about 385 adresses.
I thought we may send Sringfellow's link (http://fangshendont.blogspot.com/) to all of them.

What do you think ?

That would seriously rock. I say do it so long as you can find a legally acceptable way. They would be so...
:owneddanc

[Stringfellow]

I had something dropped in my lap the other day. It was pretty interesting. I did a little research to make sure it was legit (it is). It seems that JP believes that everyone needs to honour their contracts and pay up, except when it means him.

On July 15th, 2003, Jacques and Linda Patenaude signed a contract with another individual (I've decided to keep his name out of it) where they agreed to pay this person $4000 for a script to be based in part on the real life events in their lives. The title? KUNG FU LOVE. I shit you not. The contract was structured such that they were to make four payments of $1000 each - one immediately, one on the delivery of the first draft, and two more payments scheduled over a period of time allotted for re-writes. Well, apparently JP wasn't too thrilled with the script when he got it, so he decided that he wasn't going to pay the last $2000. The individual himself put it rather well when he filed his complaint in small-claims court:
Here's the defence filed by the Patenaudes. I didn't bother redacting the phone number as it's the school's public number. Also, while the defence was typed and obviously crafted by someone with a command of English, the PS and PPS were scrawled at the bottom by someone who obviously does not.
I love that PPS. What kind of fucking defence is that?!?

The case went through a few minor twists and turns. Basically it appears that JP kept trying to delay things hoping that the plaintiff would get fed up. JP complains at first that he's been out of town and needs more time to prepare, so they reschedule. Then, just before the next date he suddenly requests a bilingual judge. All in all, the original court date of 13 Jan 2005 ends up getting pushed to 9 Nov 2005. In the end, the judge ruled for the plaintiff. Unfortunately there is no transcript in the file I have (do they even have transcripts for small claims court?) because from what I heard, once they got JP on the stand he was spitting and fuming about how he'd been wronged. What's a god-man gonna do these days, eh Jacques?

One very interesting point is that none of the correspondance from the Patenaudes is actually from them. In every case it was handled by Scott Hill. More and more I'm thinking that this guy is the only thing keeping these guys together.

Oh, another important point- all of the information I've seen indicates that JP has yet to pay. I guess he considers himself... above the law (cue Steven Segal).

I've attached a few scans for shits and giggles. One is the signatures on the contract (notice that it was witnessed by Christine Patenaude), and the other is the handwritten portion of the Patenaudes' defence. Enjoy.
:eusa_danc

[Doctor X]

Stringfellow:

My post was purposefully vague and easily misread. I do not know--and frankly do not care--if the individual is merely a FSD "plant," a juvenile looking for attention, a LARPer, or even just overly sensitive to criticism. I wanted to convey the point that he is a waste of time. If he had a serious point, he would come back with all of the evidence of how you and all the former FSD'ers are "mean" and "wrong" and did not train hard enough--you are suppose to inhale the poo. . . .

Ever the optimist, I hope he does that. If he does come back with a "you guys were correct" he should be welcomed and not ridiculed for being honest.

TheDingo:

If you search hard enough, you can find the positive in everything, including country-western music. Shania Twaine, for example, is great to drool over. Who said nothing good comes out of Canada? You, however, give a very honest assessment of how the "positive" was outweighed by the negatives--like expensive classes that did not exist. You show the "sifus" simply do not care about training you, they just want your money. Not getting trained? You need to join another Secret Class! This sort of information is what makes the thread so worthwhile; FSD is not unique.

I use to laugh, now cry, over "Black Belt Clubs." What is a class about? I thought it was . . . you learn . . . your train . . . maybe one day you earn a belt. Now you have to join a club? Feh!

I am intrigued that you are suppose to learn at gradings. Call me a traditionalists, but the gradings I know are formal assessments in which you show you do know the required material at the required level. Sure, criticisms and suggestions can follow, but "you are doing the technique from the poster from GrandPoohBah wrong!" seems like information a "Black Belt Club" would give you prior to a grading! Of course it is all about control. The "sifus" want to constantly let you know you do not know.

My original teacher lamented an article form a MA magazine he had on "how to succeed." One of the suggestions was to never teach a student--particularly a kid--to full-potential so they always want to come back. "Why would I do that," he asked rhetorically. Why would a teacher purposefully limit a student? As he put it, "so I guess I have to become a prostitute." Seems the FSD have quite the whore-house.

--J.D.

[GreenHornet]

"Jacques, I'd love to give you a hug! A great big hug with my arms right around your waist. Then we could fall to the ground and laugh and laugh."

great now I got this weird picture in my head, way to make me spill my juice all over the screen...

[TKD Black Belt]

I feel we've seriously been in error. All this time we've been addressing each other as though this were mixer night at the (What's the name of the Gay bar where Pat beat the guy up in the washroom? The Fruit Bowl?) local men's club. Well gentlemen (again this should be easy for the FSD Sifu's as there are no women here) I feel its time we begin to address the actual targets of this thread and perhaps invite them to sit down, hold hands and generally shoot (oops, sorry boys I know how much FSD love to 'push') the sh*t and generally get to know each other.

From now on I think we should enclude a salutaion to sJP and company so they know that, even though they aren't in our pants, they are in our hearts.

Jacques, I'd love to give you a hug! A great big hug with my arms right around your waist. Then we could fall to the ground and laugh and laugh.

TKD

"You're not ghey if you don't enjoy it!"

[PeterPantsless]

[QUOTE=TKD Black Belt]Mind you this discussion would make it a bit suspect when the emails hit cause you know this is being read (HI JACQUE!) and copied down on pink letter head with a nice feather pen.
QUOTE]

TKD BlackBelt, I like the way you roll.

What's shaking, Jacques? Don't be afraid to post, baby!

[Cdnronin]

Please, someone tell me, by what stretch of any imagination, is FSD a "system", an "art", a form of "self defence"?????
Really, I want to know!

Old1o1
Master of nothing.
Sitting Duck Style (formally Peking Duck)

Peking Duck? Have you seen this movie classic? Featuring the unforgettable characters of Fang and Sheng?
http://www.braineater.com/g-farce/mpd.html

[TKD Black Belt]

Hmm, I think that would make it rather difficult for them to track now wouldn't it. Mind you this discussion would make it a bit suspect when the emails hit cause you know this is being read (HI JACQUE!) and copied down on pink letter head with a nice feather pen.

TKD

"I don't give a f*ck about contracts!"

[BoardHitBack]

What about the UK?

Maybe setting up a links pages on freewebs and mail that address out- nothing to do blogspot then....

[Slug]

You think wrong.

Not saying it can't be done just be carefull on how you word the email.

328 is such a very small number especially if it's a one time blast it would propably go unnoticed unless some one like the FSD people decided to complain and make a fuss.

Really the worse that can happen is that the sender gets a temp IP ban from ISP's and Blogspot.com shuts down the http://fangshendont.blogspot.com/ site.

Just get a freind from Eastern Europe/China or a third world country to do it... good luck trying to sue anyone over there :)... FSD would go bankrupt in legal fees

god bless the internet

[Askari]

What if he just cuts and pastes the content of http://fangshendont.blogspot.com/ into the email but doesnt accredit the email to that site?

[Goju - Joe]

That would be freaking brilliant! I agree with Bummer 120% :)
Email i think has different laws in Canada though... may be more relaxed I think?

You think wrong.

Not saying it can't be done just be carefull on how you word the email.

328 is such a very small number especially if it's a one time blast it would propably go unnoticed unless some one like the FSD people decided to complain and make a fuss.

Really the worse that can happen is that the sender gets a temp IP ban from ISP's and Blogspot.com shuts down the http://fangshendont.blogspot.com/ site.

[Slug]

Brilliant

Hi everyone,

I'm a former member of FSD. Last summer I received an email from webmaster@learnkung-fu.com about Matrix-like screensaver and firewalkcanada.com.
The webmaster did a little mistake. He put all student's email adresses in the "TO" field so you can see about 385 adresses.
I thought we may send Sringfellow's link (http://fangshendont.blogspot.com/) to all of them.

What do you think ?

That would be freaking brilliant! I agree with Bummer 120% :)
Email i think has different laws in Canada though... may be more relaxed I think?