Fang Shen Do

[n00b]

Well, let's not go too overboard, I have actually been training elsewhere during the entire length of this thread, I'd be going back to see if I can maintain certain friendships, and to have a frank discussion without rancor.

I really didn't expect to see some of the reactions from the hothead sifus, but previously to those reactions, I would not have had any trepidation. Remember, I'm one of the ones who didn't have any problems before leaving (and no, I'm not doubting those who did, I know some of THOSE guys too, hence the dissonance).

But what can a guy do? I'm going to go have a chat.

[TKD Black Belt]

Shawarma, I would also like to know who these WC Sifu's were that won MMA matches. I'm not saying it isn't possible but this would be something that would be advertised to death!

TKD

[Stringfellow]

Many schools are going to the program you are talking about, not just FSD.

What I used to teach did the same thing.

Do you have any more details as to how such a program would work? I'm curious to see how it's structured.

[It is Fake]

Do you have any more details as to how such a program would work? I'm curious to see how it's structured.

I'm on my way to work soon. I'll get to it though.

[Cdnronin]

So I'm reading the sunday Ottawa Citizen, there is a glossy magazine insert caled due west. what do i find? A full page ad for Fang Shen Do.

what does it say? amongst other things(top school in Canada, an anti-aging seminar?????) this line caught my attention. Founder sijo Patenaude has a wide range of experiece in many different martial arts. He has RANKING(my emphasis) from Japanese, Chinese and Indian systems, and has extensive training in boxing and weaponry.

Compare this to what his son-in-law has to say in response to the article on Bullshido about Fang Shen Do"Sijo has 35 years of experience and has trained in others systems as well but not to black belt or instructor level and has never claimed to. So yes the base of Fsd lies within those arts + any experience in other forms of combat styles"

So should we believe a member of his own family about his qualifications, or what is being put out to the public?

Would it make a difference if you knew that Patenaude used to advertise instruction in Kali and JKD concepts?

[Simon McNeil]

And its amazing the amount of 'Sifus' you have in rural Canada one would think it was in China :)

Sifus are rare in this neck of the woods! Hell there are people that want me to teach!

[Stringfellow]

So I'm reading the sunday Ottawa Citizen, there is a glossy magazine insert caled due west. what do i find? A full page ad for Fang Shen Do.

what does it say? amongst other things(top school in Canada, an anti-aging seminar?????) this line caught my attention. Founder sijo Patenaude has a wide range of experiece in many different martial arts. He has RANKING(my emphasis) from Japanese, Chinese and Indian systems, and has extensive training in boxing and weaponry.

Compare this to what his son-in-law has to say in response to the article on Bullshido about Fang Shen Do"Sijo has 35 years of experience and has trained in others systems as well but not to black belt or instructor level and has never claimed to. So yes the base of Fsd lies within those arts + any experience in other forms of combat styles"

So should we believe a member of his own family about his qualifications, or what is being put out to the public?

Would it make a difference if you knew that Patenaude used to advertise instruction in Kali and JKD concepts?

I guess it all comes down to what constitutes a "ranking". I could say that I'm ranked in every system ever developed - it would just happen to be the lowest ranking possible in each of those systems. This is just part of the usual smoke and mirrors. If you pushed for more information all you'll get are vague references. As you pointed out, his own son has contradicted the advertising. Hell, he still hasn't cleared up the whole WCD business yet.

I don't think we'll see anyone representing Fang Shen Do on this forum again. I think that they've figured out that they simply can't answer the questions that have been raised nor substatiate their claims and so they choose to remain silent, sticking their collective heads in the sand hoping that somehow if they can't see us then we aren't there. It's not like they haven't been given every opportunity to clear things up. In the past they could count on word not getting around, but nowadays news travels instantly, directly and unadultered from the witnesses to the public - thanks to the good ol' Internet. And it'll be here forever, for anyone who ever asks the question, "What's Fang Shen Do all about?".

[Cdnronin]

Coming soon..comparative literature 101 comparing James Demile's 1 Inch and 3 Inch punch book with Jacques Patenaude's 1 Inch and 3 Inch Punch book.

Homage to a former instructor? Vast improvement over a crude predecessor? Steaming pile of crap? Find out soon.

[Askari]

CdnRonin,
Dont tell me you actually bought Patenaude's book?

[Cdnronin]

CdnRonin,
Dont tell me you actually bought Patenaude's book?

It was a moment of weakness, I was lured to the dark side:icon_bigs

[TKD Black Belt]

PS - Still waiting for these mysterious FSD Sifus that supposedly fought MMA to identify themselves.

TKD

Edited to correct for correct style of Sifu's - TKD

[Shawarma]

They weren't WC, they were Fang Shen Do, which is what the thread is about. Do try to pay attention.

That being said, I too am waiting, although the delay in posting it has really made me wonder if the whole thing wasn't made up. An event called something as corny as "Bloodsport 50" in front of 5000 spectators with TV coverage and no online evidence whatsoever strikes me as being highly suspicious.

[Haru_the_larger]

TKDBB - The FSD instructors who fought were Pat Marcil and Scott Hill. They identified themselves either in this or the other FSD thread. Sifu Pat Marcil is the instructor at the Gatineau school. Sifu Scott Hill is the instructor in Richmond and in Brockville. There is no mystery.

To this point the issue is that there was documentation requested, documentation promised, and documentation not delivered. n00b correctly pointed out that these sifus may not be the most internet savvy individuals and likely had some difficulties getting the stuff posted. I don't think I can get a copy of the poster, but the next time I am in the school I will get as much information as possible with regards to the newspaper, the date of the article, and the author.

Just as a point of correction, I think it would be more accurate for you to question about the FSD sifus, not the WC sifus as it has been pointed out at length that FSD is not WC.

[TKD Black Belt]

Sorry for the error. Was it a Canadian event? I'm not trying to be a jerk I'm actually very interested in a wider range of fighter in MMA.

TKD

[Shawarma]

I recall that one of the guys who fought claimed on this thread that he tried to post the articles and images to the member gallery but failed. Please, somebody tell him how to use Imageshack or something, since the relevant scans are apparently already on his computer.