Fang Shen Do

[TKD Black Belt]

I wouldn't be so paranoid to assume that everyone that speaks up for FSD is a Sifu -- people who go usually enjoy it and will defend their school. Most MA schools are like this, as are most clubs and associations in general -- like TKDBB's comment about the ladies doing the Aquafit at the Y -- you start diss'n aquafit to them and ya better hold on to your panty-hose ladies and gentlemen.

But for FSD to be taken more seriously:

Not to argue with your position here as I completely agree with it, but this is probably the 10th time this has been brought up.

Most recently in my last post to FSD. I would have to disagree though and would almost guarantee this is a Sifu posting or dictating the post. The blatant self masturbation in the previous post is far too much evidence in that direction.

Oh well, one can only hope they are sitting down with their pencils and paper scripting another post for a thread that they claimed was 'dead' a few weeks back.

TKD:new_blowi

[DAYoung]

The blatant self masturbation in the previous post is far too much evidence in that direction.

You are totally wrong, This is an unnecessary and ignorant attack...












...on masturbation.

[TKD Black Belt]

You are totally wrong, This is an unnecessary and ignorant attack...

...on masturbation.

Don't make me break out the Matbattle links again....

TKD

[Crazy Mount]

To all bullshitdo member:

Due to popular demand and a curiosity by the public (through internet postings), Grandmaster (Sijo) J. Patenaude will be publishing his 5th book, detailing the origins of his martial art: FANG SHEN DO. The book is scheduled to appear under the title: Fang Shen Do; The True Story.

For more information, please check this link:

http://www.learnkung-fu.com/pressrel...ue%20story.htm


Thank you

Management

Seriously, who wrote this crap? Sounds like Linda to me. I think it's time you stopped using marketing and advertising strategies from the mid nineties. People are becoming a lot more marketing sensitive and require new and unique ways to be duped into buying something.


If you'll take some advice, know that writing a book that explains JP's past by words edited from JP's mouth doesn't prove or hold any credibility at all. If you're writing this book JP, make sure there are additions from people like Demille etc... that can justify what you claim. I don't want to hear any shitty testimonials from your sifus or kool-aid drinking students that you usually put in your seminar sales crap. Be honest and truthful about yourself, and surrender your damn pride so that a clean slate might be provided. Talk about your past, tell us your criminal record and the trouble you got into. Tell us the reasons as to why these incidents happened and don't say, "some asshole came into my school and was interested in what I taught, so I busted his face". I know you'll try to paint this god like picture of you, but don't kid yourself, tell us who you are and what really happened. Everyone has skeletons in their closet and if you believe you're man enough to shed light on them, then do it and you'll be more respected for it.


This is some writing advice and I hope you take it, otherwise who wants to read this shit. I DON'T WANT TO BE SOLD ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR CRAPPY BOOKS OR DVD'S!

[Crazy Mount]

So I read, and then read again the article on Stringfellow's opinion about Fang Shen Do Kung Fu. I respect everyone's opinion, and I appreciate what Stringfellow has to say. However, I have been a Fang Shen Do Student for over one year, I am a proud BBC member, have attained the blue sash level, and the gains that I have achieved both physically and mentally are outstanding. Say what you will about this system of Kung Fu, you must admit that it is not all negaitive. I take advantage of as many classes as possible training between 8 to 10 hours a week with the Sifus in Montreal and Laval, and have been treated with great respect by each of them and have felt like part of their family. I don't care that I pay 175$ a month, so what!! Where can you go and get an intense, amasing workout these days in martial arts where the energy levels of all students is so obviously positive, intense, and inspiring?? I respect all Kung Fu martial arts, including the traditional systems of Wing Chun, Hung Gar, and Shaolin, however, Fang Shen Do is more than just learning martial arts. It is physical coditioning, relief of stress, gratification with instant rewards and long term effects. I don't know which Club Stringfellow belonged to, but the Clubs I train at our highly effective. On more than one occasion I had to put my skills to use in real confrontations, and so far I was on the standing end of the ordeal. Come on, be honest, being a martial artist is totally within. Whatever style you train with and whatever school you attend is not what makes you the utlimate fighter. It is who you are! when i started training in Fang Shen Do, I was obese, slow, weak, and totally not motivated. Within one year, I have put on muscle mass tha is so outsanding, lost so much fat on my body, gained speed, strength and confidence, and have positive motivation. But it wasn't Sijo JP or my Sifus who did this for me, I did it, with their guidance. With their example. All the Sigus are in tremendous shape. They are a perfect example of what a martial artist should look like (male and female). So what if they don't compete in events or tournaments, so what if Sijo trained with a Bruce Lee student (James W. DeMile) or not. Not's not the important thing here. I used to be one of those guys who that that if you really wanted to learn martial arts, then you should be taught by some old oriental fellow or his descendants and do all sorts of bullshit forms or katas to become a martial artist. BULLSHIT! Man if you can trap your opponent, kick and punch the shit out of him using all the weapons of your body, take down or grapple and close with finishing blows, than you are an accomplished martial artist. And guess what, you learn all of these things in Fang Shen Do.
I often seek guidance from the Sifus, and they have always been more than kind in sharing their views. Their advice has only helped me in the long run. So they bad mouth other systems. That's ok, no? If you are so proud of something you do or own, then why promote something else? I am pretty certain that I can kick anyone's ass who has trained as long as me in whatever style, and if I don't, then so what! It doesn't mean that Fang Shen Do failed me, or benefited me. The animal is within, and if you don't know how to harness it, then no training will make you win fights.
Stringfellow also mentioned that Fang Shen Do students are not taught how to deal with real confrontations. WOW, couldn't be more wrong. We have actualy done role playing in class where we pretended to be sitting down in a metro car and someone attacked us, or at times we pretended to be at a bus stop waiting for the bus and were attacked and taught how to deal with it. There is so much intensity in each class and sweat and conditioning and skill that whether or not I am a Kool aid drinker I love it and keep going back for more. Oh and yes, why pay $175 for that, well, to be honest with you, because there are no schools that charge less than that that offer you what Fang Shen Do does, not in Quebec any ways. I can train 7 days a week, take regular classes, BBC classes, weapons classes, spar every day if i want, all for this low price. There are day and evening and late evening classes. There are weekend classes, private classes, and some darn good seminars. Oh, and about the seminars, i was never forced to take any. Sifu would make an announcement once a week about the upcoming seminars, and you can sign up or not, student's choice. So why pay for seminars?? Let me tell you why! A seminar lasts between 2-3 hours long, and is very intensive. Would you or I work 2-3 hours in one day without getting paid? Hell NO! We need money to survive, and we all want to make a nice living. This bullshit that true martial arts masters are supposed to be old, wise, and poor is a farce. If martial arts schools were not financially successful, then there wouldn't be any around and we would become extinct.
Again, I respect what you have to say Stringfellow, but I think you are just a little dissapointed with all the money you have spent, and with the little gains you have achieved. Maybe somewhere during your training, you weren't inspired enough and lost interest, thus neglecting what you could have learned in class and let yourself go. Good luck to you. I am a martial artist with a black belt in Shotokan karate, and now a blue sash in Fang Shen Do Kung Fu, and I am darn proud of it!!

Shadow Ragno

All I really want to say to you is blah, blah, blah. All us ex-students have been there and done that. Come back here and post when you're a brown or black sash and see if you chirp the same song. I'm tired of these FSD student threats. Seriously, you're tough, yes yes I know - FSD made you tough.

[n00b]

Oh noes! he's TOTALLY BURNED ME!

I know *I* quit as soon as they said I had to do t3h deadly knuckle pushup.

[Slug]

To all bullshitdo member:

Due to popular demand and a curiosity by the public (through internet postings), Grandmaster (Sijo) J. Patenaude will be publishing his 5th book, detailing the origins of his martial art: FANG SHEN DO. The book is scheduled to appear under the title: Fang Shen Do; The True Story.

For more information, please check this link:

http://www.learnkung-fu.com/pressrel...ue%20story.htm


Thank you

Management

You know... lineage and validity are just a fraction of the complaints against FSD.
Perhaps the book can cover why you keep secrets, want people to buy into a more expensive program rather then just teach good stuff period.

I saw the add for the BBC, wow the people not in BBC must feel like they are getting taught shit after seeing that.

Stories of thuggery against a school were your goons paid a visit?

Your rep seems to suck and it isn't your lineage in question as much as your character. I dont think anyone really gives a Rats Ass on what you charge or dont charge... its how you do it which seesm to be in question here.

Along with the pyramid marketing schemes. Perhaps that could be addressed in the book?

Maybe you should have stayed training with guro Inosanto rather then one seminar? You can learn alot about humbleness from a true master.

Slug

[Haru_the_larger]

I let many things pass through my brain filter that seem unimportant at the time. Reading through this occassionally triggers memories of another FSD story that smacks as totally bullshido.

I remember asking about certain members of the BBC - pictures of all BBC members are posted in each school. I asked who they were and why I hadn't seen them at any BBC meetings. I was told that some of them lived far away - some in Southern Ontario (Kitchener, Toronto, Hamilton, etc) and wouldn't come to BBC meetings in Ottawa. One of the sifus actually addressed this in a class and said these BBC members were not committed to their training because they would not travel. He then spouted off on the virtues of sJP and how committed he was because he travelled back and forth to Seattle to learn from his instructor, one of Bruce Lee's original students. If sJP did it, then these BBC members had no excuse.

It certainly does appear through the things written here that sJP travelled their one time, if at all. If that is the case, well it is just more Bullshido on their part.

[PeterPantsless]

Haru, I know what you mean. The FSD memories are flooding back! I've repressed them for so long!

I remember a sifu addressing the class about his opinions on the UFC. He said that he, and the other sifus, called it, "Ultimate Fighting Crap." He explained that a "real" fight would never last as long as the UFC matches do, and that a FSD practitioner should end a fight in thirty seconds, or less. He also explained that the UFC was BS, because of all the rules, and he cited the rule of not kneeing a downed opponent in the head. He said that this is why thier takedowns are so effective, as they have one knee down while shooting in, thus saving them from the knee to the face. Then of course, he explained that a FSD practitioner would easily stop such BS takedowns with said knee.

Yup.

[n00b]

It's happened at least once! LOL

WVC 5 - World Vale Tudo Championship 5

Organization World Vale Tudo Championship
Date February 3, 1998
Location Brazil
Match Winner Loser Method Round Time
7 Igor Vovchanchyn Nick Nutter KO (Knee) 1 0:14

(I was going to say 'FSD wins again', but my heart is broken... *sob*)

[PeterPantsless]

Of course the knee can work, that is not the point. The point is, that "FSD is mightier than any, and every art out there." I couldn't imagine an FSD pratitioner taking on any professional athelete, much less a UFC fighter. But they always have a simple answer and to why thier art is the best. ex. Can't take down a FSD clown, because of the Knee to the head, takedown defence. End of story.

Crap, crap, crappity crap.

[n00b]

I have been there for the 4nti-gr4ppl3 lesson. "If you practice shadow closing and double blast, you cannot be taken down". I believe we were expected to double blast the incoming skull while moving backwards. If you were good you 'could double blast moving forwards *or* backwards'.

It was INCREDIBLY hard not to sprawl.

I guess that's true, sorta. IF you always maintain the distance then you won't get grappl0red. Then the reality fairy gets the shoot and the back of your head hits the floor.

[madmax]

I'm not making excuses for the weird stuff, but it's perfectly understandable how they feel. Now imagine being a sifu. Except for Scott, they've all been in since childhood. This is all they have ever known. Convincing them of *anything* will be a long slog. Which is too bad, cuz that dragon logo is BADASS, man.

I agree that most of the Sifus have all been in since childhood... They've never experienced anything else, yet critisize all other systems but their own. Also, they have the gall to tell you to "empty your cup", when in reality they don't know what they're talking about, but they think they do.

[Doctor X]

This is all just another cult.

Members do the same thing--entrench to protect the belief. They will accept "little lies and abnormalities" to avoid admitting they bought the Big Lie.

--J.D.

[Doctor X]

. . . and another thing. . . .

I get sick of the "rules" excuses. I have actually used a knee to prevent a shoot. Yay me. Had I missed, I would have been eating floor. Ooops. A better shooter may have done that. The "shooter" knew enough to "yield" to "taking" a knee to the face. What if he did not? In a R34l D34dly STR33T fight, I would have had to have damaged him severely . . . or he would have taken me down.

What do people want? Gladiator contests? In that case, bring a big knife . . . then your opponent will bring a gun. For some reason, practitioners, even professionals, do not want a guarranteed maming.

So there are rules.

Learn how to use them. I realize I am "ranting to the choir," but I get sick of hearing the "I have t3h t00 d34dly" excuse.

Sure.

Deadly to the excuser.

--J.D.