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    What Kendo can teach traditional martial arts.

    I was in an Eagle Claw club in my college campus where my Judo club practices, and I saw the people in their doing some rather ridiculous movements that would be completely impractical in any real self-defense situation. Unfortunately for the students in the class, their Asian "sifu" stated that what they were learning could save their life. I had to stifle a laugh at hearing that, because I knew that there was no way in hell someone could do some of the nonsense they were doing and survive. I decided to challenge the senior student to a friendly spar, to see how skilled he was. I wasn't going to challenge the sifu, because I felt it was disrespectful. I also waited until class let out, and me and the senior went to a seperate gym so he wouldn't feel any undo pressure.

    Well I submitted his ass four times in a row, the last time almost breaking the poor fool's arm because he refused to tap out when he felt the pressure was on. What's funny is that in the end, what he was doing looked like kickboxing, and not some elaborate form of martial arts. Pretty sad actually, but it got me thinking about all these martial arts that try to say that they're teaching "real fighting" techniques when all they're teaching is "pretty fluff".

    I think all martial arts that are considered "too deadly" to be called a sport could learn a thing or two from Kendo. A modern sport derived from ancient Japanese sword arts. Basically, you'll never see a Kenshi fighting in the UFC, or proclaim that their shinai techniques "will save their life". Kendo exponents know what they're doing isn't meant for fighting, and has no application outside of the dojo, or at a Kendo tournament, sorta like European style fencers, but the thing is, they're totally cool with that reality. They're fine with fighting within their tournaments, and looking for ways to improve their sport.

    People who do Kung Fu, Karate, Aikido,Japanese jj, and other obsolete MA forms, could learn a lot from Kendo.

    Just a little rant from yours truly. Maybe I'll make it into an article next time. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

    #2
    sure.....
    but i doubt he was gonna throat jab ya or poke you in the eyes (both of which i would not hessitate to do :) )

    ring is one thing, "street" is another but the ring will definately show what will work or not...

    how did you submit him? did you shoot and somehow force him face down? :)

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      #3
      Please, stop reading Blade Windu's posts, or at least read the other ones!!

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        #4
        I would bite, had I the time. Until then, keep thee under the bridge.
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          #5
          Piz, I mostly used Osoto gari to put him down. Actually, I used it twice, and I used an upper cross armlock the first time and Ude garami the second time. Third time I threw him down with a sloppy ogoshi, and kept a hold of his arm and slapped on a wrist lock. The final time I did a leg wheel and did the cross armlock again, but he refused to tap, even though I put the pressure on. I let go after I heard and felt a soft pop in his elbow. <img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>



          Edited by - King of Fists on April 13 2003 19:23:37

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            #6
            Me a troll? Nah. I just think that Eagle claw isn't the way MAs should be run, and Kendo is. Unless you're doing something like kickboxing, boxing, or some form of wrestling (Judo, Bjj, greco-roman)you aren't really learning how to fight, you're learning how to dance with elements of Asian culture.

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              #7
              or you take Wing Chun, which doesn't bullshit...

              "Please, stop reading Blade Windu's posts, or at least read the other ones!!"
              who me? lol, Blade makes no sense most of the posts he makes....heheh


              King Of Fists-Um sure...

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                #8
                I've always wondered why Japenese words and names are so long and difficult?



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                  #9
                  Sorry to burst your bubble, "King of Fists", but Wing Chun / Wing Tzun is a form of Kung Fu. You might want to investigate your claims further before making blanket statemtents.

                  You can't make a man by standing a sheep on its hindlegs but if you get a group of men together you can create a herd of sheep.

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                    #10
                    I admit, I've never seen a Wing Chun class, so I'll restrain my judgement of that particulair style until I've experienced it for myself.

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                      #11
                      i think he means "Kung Fu" as in "wushu"


                      still i think all masters need some reality checks and modernisation....

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                        #12
                        No, I mean kung fu.

                        I know the difference between the two.

                        At least wushu exponents recognize the fact that they're doing competitive chinese dancing.

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                          #13
                          What's wrong with Japanese JJ that makes it obsolete?

                          What makes Ninjitsu obsolete?

                          So, basically what you're saying is that if they don't compete in a ring, they can't fight? I take it you probably haven't taken any TMA's, have you? Or maybe you took a year of Karate when you were 7?

                          If you really wanted to know how to fight and win every time, you'd take Kali or Ninjitsu and always carry a knife. Or a gun.

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                            #14
                            Or sword...

                            Kendo is the modern softer version of some older style is it not? can you spell out EXACTLY what we can all learn from kendo?

                            you seem to say, don't call it self defense if it doesn't work right? ok....

                            funny, my Wing Chun Sifu said "We do not teach self-defense here. We teach 'self-offense.'"



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                              #15
                              Jj is obsolete because it has no usage in the modern world. Its tactics, and training methods are superflous and antiquated.

                              Judo and even Aikido have taken up the useful aspects of unarmed classical Jj, and Kendo/Iado have taken up the armed aspects of Jj and have made them applicable to the modern era. There's literally no reason to learn Jujutsu unless you're a wannabe Samurai warrior.

                              The same applies to Ninjutsu.

                              I'll put stock in a fighter who battles in the ring over a fighter who battles in a dojo any day of the week. Chances are, the one who does modern martial sports is in better shape, and in better command of his techniques than a person who does traditional martial arts.

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