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    My experience with Shaolin Goju


    #2
    I think you answered this in your post, but I am not clear on it. Money question: Did you spar hard, and do your grappling in an alive manner? Point style sparring does not do much to turn you into a killer (I'm guessing the marines and the wresling helped you).

    Also, having superior skill in a TMA is a mtter of oppinion. Some 14 year old 2nd dan TKD BB, might think he has superior skill to a KK blue belt, but who would win in the streets?

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      #3
      Its a hard call. From the adds I have seen of the stlye in BB mag, its looks like a joke. But hell its who trains the art that makes it good. If your a good fighter then your a good fighter. I say try a MT school, or a BJJ school to test your skills.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Teryan
        I think you answered this in your post, but I am not clear on it. Money question: Did you spar hard, and do your grappling in an alive manner? Point style sparring does not do much to turn you into a killer (I'm guessing the marines and the wresling helped you).

        Also, having superior skill in a TMA is a mtter of oppinion. Some 14 year old 2nd dan TKD BB, might think he has superior skill to a KK blue belt, but who would win in the streets?
        We used the traditional head-gear, gloves, and foot pads. Strikes were allowed on all parts of the body, except the back and back of the head. As a beginner, limited contact to the face. The more advanced you got, the less gear and more contact you had. Intermediate to advanced level was pretty full on, non stop sparring. The black belts just beat the tar out of each other.

        Kids was point sparring only, except the older, more experienced ones, and then still controlled.

        We did full head-on grappling, where you stop when someone submits. It included 'some' striking, but more grabs (tiger claw their skin and twist in order to make them move where you wanted them). All sorts of joint locks were allowed as well.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Jaric
          Its a hard call. From the adds I have seen of the stlye in BB mag, its looks like a joke. But hell its who trains the art that makes it good. If your a good fighter then your a good fighter. I say try a MT school, or a BJJ school to test your skills.
          Wow, I never knew it was in Black Belt magazine.

          I have fought against some MT and done well; most of that however was by taking them to the ground and chokine them out.

          Never met anyone who has done BJJ. I wouldn't know the difference though between jujitsu or any other grappling. I mean is there really a difference between a gullotine or triangle choke in different styles?

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            #6
            im not trying to change the subject but wasn't shaolin goju the style Leroy Green used in "The Last Dragon"

            if they had full contact sparring then maybe the school you were at wasn't a mcdojo after all.

            i think gullotines and triangle chokes are taught the same way in both judo and bjj.


            edit it was Chinese goju in "The Last Dragon"
            Last edited by Method2Madness; 10/28/2005 11:38am, .

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              #7
              See, I think it wasn't, but then I know it was in certain cases. I guess there may be a lot of schools out there that tailor what they teach to who is being taught. If you have a student who only wants to get fit and do pretty katas, then why bother teaching them combat oriented techiques. Same goes with kids.

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                #8
                yeah kid's are usually hyperactive , mostof the time. there was this one kid at my old school who listened to what my teacher had to say and would frequently beat up on the other kids during sparring.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Method2Madness
                  if they had full contact sparring then maybe the school you were at wasn't a mcdojo after all."
                  I think you're confusing between Bullshido and McDojo.

                  From the sound of it, it doesn't sound McDojo where the instructor tries to get you in contracts ranging from a year to 3-4 years, even worse, I think the guy really need to reorganize his business strategies. From how much he's charging you guys, doesn't seem he'll be able to survive the business.

                  From the way you guys spar, it doesn't sound like Bullshido at all. As long as you guys do it with good amount of pressure in sparring during your training, that's never bullshido in my book. Pressure testing techniques and sparring abilities is what makes a school non-bullshido, I think.

                  1.5 years to reach a black belt does sound too fast, but I guess every school and style has its own way of regulating belts.

                  If you believe that you're still growing in skill and conditioning with this style, keep doing it, but try out some new styles once in a while, to use that old cliche: "think outside the box".

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Method2Madness
                    im not trying to change the subject but wasn't shaolin goju the style Leroy Green used in "The Last Dragon"

                    if they had full contact sparring then maybe the school you were at wasn't a mcdojo after all.

                    i think gullotines and triangle chokes are taught the same way in both judo and bjj.


                    edit it was Chinese goju in "The Last Dragon"
                    Leroy Green (Taimak) was, indeed, trained in Chinese Goju, the Ron VanClief (Black Dragon) system. I am not famaliar with Shaolin Goju, but it sounds kind of eclectic.
                    Taimak was 21 years old at the time and was ranked as 5th Dan under VanClief, wow!
                    I thought I spelled it wrong, but as I said I'm a mechanic not an English professor.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by slamdunc
                      Leroy Green (Taimak) was, indeed, trained in Chinese Goju, the Ron VanClief (Black Dragon) system. I am not famaliar with Shaolin Goju, but it sounds kind of eclectic.
                      Taimak was 21 years old at the time and was ranked as 5th Dan under VanClief, wow!
                      Yes, it is very eclectic.

                      Shinjimasu was the system in which Shaolon Goju fell under. Shaolin Goju was called the 'mother style'. There were, however, many other Masters of different styles within Shinjimasu. Anyone in Shinjimasu could go train with any other under Shinjimasu.

                      The whole goal was to know 'everything' possible, in order to teach it to your students; however, you took the things that fit your personality and body type to develop a fighting style that fit you.

                      I am sure I just confused more people.

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                        #12
                        What does Goju mean? Is that Japanese? And hwy is that used with 'Chinese' and 'Shaolin?'
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                          #13
                          Go is japanese for 'hard'. Ju is japanese for 'soft'
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                            #14
                            SHIOLIN GOJU

                            I believed that If your learned to defend yourself it wasnt bullsht. There is a such thing as Shiolin Goju. It should almost be common sense (for those who have it.) Chinese Goju.. those who practiced the art outside of the Shiolin temple. Shiolin Goju.. the art that was practiced inside the temple. Yes they would look extremely diffrent since the buddist monks would only kill if really necessary. More blocks takedowns and joint manuevers than breaks and deadly blows. You probably learned to control your opponent and use correct timing to eliminate his strikes. Truth of martial arts in general. Fake schools keep thier students for many years. They stretch the curriculum so that they can get more money. Your teacher sounds authentic. He was not interested in pay. He only charged enough to pay his overhead. His interest seemed to be with teaching his students to survive an attack. Also real teachers teach according to the needs of the students. So when he asked the class about their needs, It was a valid question. Some styles take longer to master than others but to make masters is not the job of the teacher. He is only supposed to teach you the techniques. Its up to you to practice and master each technique personally so that you can use them when the time arrives. There are many blackbelts that get crushed in the streets because they dont understand that the blackbelt simply says that the teacher has taught you all of the system. It does not mean that you personally have taken the time and effort to practice, modify and use the techniques he taught you. After the blackbelt is when you become a skilled fighter. Until you personally master the techniques taught to you, you will be a beginner that has simply been shown all the right moves. :evil3:

                            for more info on shiolin goju search the net. It exists.. theres a whole organization dedicated to it.

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                              #15
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