What do you guys think about this double-leg counter

[Year Zero]

Basically a counter to a double-leg shot followed by what looks like a neck-crank. What do you think about the shooter's posture, and does anybody think this could be a useful counter? Keep in mind this is Combat SAMBO, not that Systema crap.

http://www.combatsambo.ca/videos/Sambo_Video_8.mpg

[Kengou]

I don't see any major problem with this move. However if you screw it up, you'd end up in side mount or mount instead of having the opponent in your guard. Not that I know anything about grappling.

[_Mick_]

the technique seems like a low % move.
i would rather just sprawl. if you screw that up they could take your back or get sidemount.

[Year Zero]

Yeah I can see a lot of opportunities to turn that into side control at several points in the move. I think you would have to whip them around quick to disorient them and quickly apply the neck crank too.

[Fighting Cephalopod]

It's a crucifix turnover. Pretty basic wrestling move. Most of the time it wouldn't look that smooth (I'm assuming it was a demo) and it's going to be tough to get on someone that shoots with their head up instead of down like that guy, but it's definitely a legit technique.

[Year Zero]

It's a crucifix turnover. Pretty basic wrestling move. Most of the time it wouldn't look that smooth (I'm assuming it was a demo) and it's going to be tough to get on someone that shoots with their head up instead of down like that guy, but it's definitely a legit technique.

If he can get the guys head down and hook both arms he'd have a crucifix submission right?

[RoninPimp]

bad bad bad as demonstrated

[KeithAtTakadaDojo]

It's a good technique. I use something like this all the time. But I wouldn't do it with just the one arm.

[Olorin]

I cannot see where that submission is coming from?

What exactly is he doing to get the sub?

[Year Zero]

It looks like he could be setting up an armbar at the same time as he is doing that neck crank. I would try that to hedge my bets.

[FMA_Brian]

crucifix luvin

I cannot see where that submission is coming from?

What exactly is he doing to get the sub?

He's getting a single underhook with his right arm hooking the left arm of the shooter. Before they roll the shooters head is fed to the right arm pit and he's using his leg (I'll have to re-check to see which leg) to get complete a crucifix ( it's a neck crank where the person being submited looks like they are being "crucified"; arms up head down)

One gripe is the guy doing the take down is doing a tackle *not* a double leg. The BJJ guys can walk use through that better than I can, but basicly a double leg take-down dumps the legs both off to one side so you are most likely to land cross body when you do that take down properly.

I use underhooks in a kali/silat mindset to stop takedowns. I use a single underhook to keep the head up and maybe do a puter kapala throw. I suck on the ground so I use underhooks to keep it at least a clinch instead of a full on grapple.

I'm gonna play with this technique though because I like side body and like the crucifix. Well I hate having the crucifix done on me but it's fun to do on others since if their haed pops out (from side body crucifix) you're right in a tight side body and you have a hand free to pop them :laughing9

-Brian

[Lampa]

Now, I'm pretty new, but I think the reason why they teach you to double leg with your head up, your center of gravity lower, and to start from closer range is to avoid being countered in that fashion.

That's not to say that everyone always shoots perfectly so you shouldn't learn what you can do when they come in head-down.

[Bearcat]

It would be easier just to take a guillatine & have guard if you fail.

FWIW any good wrestler will keep his head up.

[FMA_Brian]

It would be easier just to take a guillatine & have guard if you fail.

Yeah that would be a safer technique, but that was kinda cool looking and gives an option for a single underhook; though I suppose a guilotine can be thought of as a single underhook sit like that.

FWIW any good wrestler will keep his head up.

Totally. That guy gave him a nice cream puff tackle. Great for demo. Wish we had that and a full speed tackle demo. Better yet a full speed demo against a more solid and technical take down.

-Brian

[much love]

This tech rocks. I use an over/under grip so that I can open up the other arm to slip my knee through. I also do different stuff with my feet.

My teacher, Eduardo De Lima, taught this as "the cattle catch"