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  • Iron Arahat
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    I agree with KungFuDoesWork that that is by far the worst example of Kung-Fu I have ever seen.

    The backgroung snippet was from Kungfumagazine Online.

    Here's some intresting stuff a Tai Chi guy beats a Kickboxer in a MMA fight:

    http://www.mixedmartialarts.ca/HTML/Rumble5/09JeremiahJason.htm

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  • SifuAbel
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    I'm not argueing about the sequence of events, that description was verbatim what knifefighter(KFO) wrote about the exerience, he after all set it up. I'm only disagreeing with those that think that the vid, and delucia for that matter, are examples of good kung fu. One of you actually called his fighting "the good example of high level kung fu in action"; this is complete retardation. Can you say "clueless". For people who are so superior you seem to spend a lot of time and effort on keeping your reps intact. You are so desperate to make this into the "ultimate proof" that you will ignore the obvious. This guy sucked coconuts through a straw, period. This guy was just plain BAD. He is not the great herald of kung fu.

    "Hey KungFuDoesWork, you genius"

    Thank you, I appreciate your realizing the possiblity and thanks for the compliment.

    Asia, More like 99.999%. I could count those that actually know dim mak on one hand without using my thumb. The dim mak/ eye gouge response is a tired and stupid answer given by novice students on the internet who look toward the most exotic technique they could find in order to sound dangerous. But it doesn't stop the world outside of kung fu to wave this like a flag, even though it comes from the mouths of white belt children. Most of you dissing kung fu in general are just regergitating what others have said. Please, formulate your own opinions. I must have read the same exact answers a million times. Its like you guys have a pamphlet that you've memorized and roboticly take quotes from. Is this not what a Mcdojo would do, have you parrot what other people say instead of using your mind and opening you eyes?

    Mercurious, Heres a clue you can follw, since you have none about KF. The stances you do see in a form are mostly the ENDS of a technique, NOT the beginning. Its stupid to think that every single move in a form is the first move. We won't sit there and wait for you on one leg. The technique is done by then. You are not standing there waiting.



    Edited by - Kungfudoeswork on July 22 2002 16:36:56

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  • DrOctagon
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    Asia, Krav Mga is bullshit.It is about finding soccer moma that are scared of black people and telling them if they can learn to unleash the beast they can fend off the Crips and Bloods that are coming to place brown children in their wombs.
    I was offered a full certificate to teach LEGIT Krav Maga by a guy if I attend a seminar and bring a letter from my current teacher.It is a scam and I never met a Krav guy that had the balls to step up when I said this shit to his face.I know a TKD teacher that went to a couple Krav Seminars, now he teaches it for outsrageous fees to models.He is a total Nancy, 150 pounds of nothing.I own a gym an I got guys in here that could put this guy in a dress, guys that never had lesson 1 in real fighting.And ive seen this Krav teacher depicted in MA rags as some kinda combat guru.
    You say Israelis can rip guys new ones.Sure, but generally its after some dumb palestinian jackass tosses a rock at them, and they rip em a new one with automatic weapons.The six days war was Isrealis cruisin down in state of thart US weaponry and blowing arabs that got lost in the desert looking for Israel to kingdom come.It doesn't make Israeli's pre-eminent asskickers, the toughest Iraeli I've known is Moti Horenstein, and you ask him who's tough.

    I hate my brother.

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  • Gezere
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    >And before I get the naplam on me, let me state I don't know Dim Mak.

    Neither do 80% of of the pple who THINK they do.


    I truly don't consider the KF guy a good fighter or one with LITTLE to NO REAL Fighting experience. I still say it has more to do with the FIGHTER than the style.

    Xiao Ao Jiang Hu Zhi Dong Fang Bu Bai (Laughing Proud Warrior Invinsible Asia) Emporer of Baji!!! THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE AGAINST THE UNITED AUSSIE FRONT!!

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  • Mercurius
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    Yeah, good summary, pretty informative about the circumstances and congruous with what we see on the video.

    Perhaps another student(bigger or otherwise) would've had a "martial sense" more suited to dealing with the MMA guy, along with a healthy fear of him, as opposed to Fred Ettish-esque blind confidence.

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    And that's what I call REAL Ultimate Power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Blad3
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    ok . Good summary (thought the mma guy was a blueblet though.) Didn't realize he was a proffesional fighter

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  • Iron Arahat
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    Information on John Marsh:

    http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/displayfighter.cfm?fighterid=9

    Some background:

    "What is did prove is the fallacy of thinking you know your skills when you never really test them.

    To illustrate my point, let me tell you the story of John's fight. Originally, someone else was going to fight the "kung fu master" in question. However, since $5,000. was on the line and the kung fu camp had said they would fight anyone, John was approached about doing the fight. The BJJ camp knew that John was the best choice to ensure victory. This is because John trained and fought competitively against other fighters, including the original person who was going to fight the kung fu man. John was far from the highest ranking, being only a purple belt in BJJ at the time. However, the BJJ camp knew John was their best choice based on the objective data, even though he was not the most experienced or the highest ranking, or even the biggest.

    The kung fu side, on the other hand, had no way to objectively determine who was their best fighter. They didn't regularly test their skills in competitions, or even in training against 100% resisting opponents. Because of this, the only way they had to judge who was the "best" was by who was the highest ranking, knew the most techniques, could beat everyone in "tag/point fighting" practice sessions, and who could perform his techniques with the best form. Based on this, the "kung fu master" was considered to be their best choice, although they had several practitioners who were John's size or bigger. As a matter of fact, one of the gentlemen from their school is shown in the background during the fight. At about 6'6" and 290 lbs., he dwarfed John. The kung fu school assumed he was not as good a choice as the smaller "master."

    The BJJ side had multiple objective proofs for John being the best choice for the fight. Unfortunately, for the kung fu school, they had to make their choice based on subjective criteria, since they never actually used their "deadly" techniques at 100% against 100% resisting opponents."

    Food for thought.

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  • Mercurius
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    Hey KungFuDoesWork, you genius, I was talking about that guy's stances when he rushed in dancing around like he was trying to juke the guy.

    Notwithstanding that several Kung Fu stances either look like they could be blown over by a strong wind or like you're trying to say "Please hit me in the face."

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    And that's what I call REAL Ultimate Power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Phrost
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    And before I get the naplam on me, let me state I don't know Dim Mak.
    You get cool points for that.

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  • Blad3
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    "John Marsh a bluebelt under Royce Gracie"
    "Sifu"

    Sorry, I just thought that this told me that what I said in my above post was correct.

    No i haven't heard of John Marsh and I don't see why a KungFu "sifu" would challenge someone who was that experienced if he wasn't himself (or even despite the MMA fighter's experince, i would've thought the Kungfu "sifu" would have/should have been experineced, if not naive/insane.)

    As I said no disrespect or offence meant. :)

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  • SifuAbel
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    "No disrespect to KungFu practioneers or the "MMA/Grappler MT/Boxer" guy involved ;)"

    You're kidding right?
    You beleive this guy was a true kung fu stylist and John Marsh is a nobody?
    You've got to be either the biggest troll on the planet or the biggest idiot. Maybe both.



    Edited by - Kungfudoeswork on July 21 2002 23:18:47

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  • Blad3
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    I think this is excellent - I believe that this fighter is a true KungFu stylist, possibly quite advanced. On the other hand the MMA fighter may not have been - for instance he didn't go for the mount (after his "intructor" told him to.)

    I believe this video is real and is a valid example of KungFU vs Sports/FC/MMA/NHB - a relatively inexperienced MMA fighter (Blue belt, excellent but not exactly Purple or anything, almost definitely not a professional MT/boxer practioneer) vs a possible KungFu master, which is what is claimed in an above post [here].

    Excellent, 9/10 (10/10 if they were both of relatively equal size which they almost are, but more importanly if they were both very experinced, which I doubt at least the MMA was.) :)

    ps. No disrespect to KungFu practioneers or the "MMA/Grappler MT/Boxer" guy involved ;)

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  • Izru
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    Just thought I'd weigh in....first, let me say that I don't have a total knowledge of Kung Fu or such, so corrections are appreciated, but I found it interesting that the Kung Fu practicioner threw a roundhouse style kick as the first move against a fighter who was obviously a wrestler...besides the fact that it was a dumb move, I believe most traditional Kung Fu styles utilize low and crescent kicks almost exclusively...and only then after the range has been closed, as distractions or strikes while the hands are occupied...in conclusion, same thing everyone else has said...the KF guy didn't seem to know anything about Kung Fu, let alone fighting....

    *First post--be gentle*
    Izru- a total n00b

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  • SifuAbel
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    As much as some of you are salivating at this vid. I'm going on the record that this fight was complete BS. The Kung fu San Soo guy was possibly the WORST fighter I have ever seen. He is NOT representative of kung fu in ANY way. His approach was laughable and his technique was beginner stuff. This branch of KFSS doesn't even free spar. How did he expect to win against a pro fighter? I also remember reading way back that the fight was supposed to be with a local practitioner and was canceled with John Marsh as a replacement. I don't even think this guy knew whom he was fighting. Talk about bait and switch. As far as he knew it was another "local amatuer". Can you say "ringer"?
    So in future, I would like to thank you to not point this out as the "great victory over kung fu". If anything it was a victory over a mcdojo, not the totality of CMA.

    "and stand-up styles that don't take steps like adopting strong stances "

    Kung fu doesn't develop strong stances? Thats news to me.

    And before I get the naplam on me, let me state I don't know Dim Mak.

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  • Gezere
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    I've never went over $100 for a challenge!!!

    Size DOES matter. It is a common myth in MA that David ALWAYS beats Goliath! I find it sad that many pple cling to this. MA training is good but it DOESN'T level the playing feild. Yes the little guy can win sometimes but that is the expection NOT the RULE.


    And while I am on a rant. MAXIM Mag ran a section on confronting ARMED attackers emptyhanded using Krav Maga. Now I won't totally bash them because a few things were feasible but it was overshadowed by the BIG BS on the pages. One scenario instructs the reader to GRAB THE BARREL OF THE TERRORIST SUBMACHINE GUN!!!!!! I had to keep rereading it because I couldn't believe it. ANYONE familar with firearms can see how this is a bad idea. I was praying that now one took this to heart. Although the suggestions they had for personal emergency kits was pretty sound they should've really cross research the Krav Maga section.

    Xiao Ao Jiang Hu Zhi Dong Fang Bu Bai (Laughing Proud Warrior Invinsible Asia) Emporer of Baji!!! THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE AGAINST THE UNITED AUSSIE FRONT!!

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