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    Thought this was funny.....

    Seemed to have disappeared from Kenponet pretty quick.....

    Clyde and the hucklebuck

    http://rapidshare.de/files/1679527/clyde_sparring.wmv

    #2
    How.........delciously white trash



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      #3
      wow

      Does the dog know judo too?

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        #4
        Originally posted by fist of fury
        How.........delciously white trash





        Hmm, guess Kirk (AKA Capt Shady AKA FAT BASTARD) couldn't post this. Good clip by the way. Oh yea, it's not Judo, it's a JuJitsu school in Palmdale CA, the guy I'm sparring with is the chief instructor there. Look closely in the mirror when they come back to us after 20 seconds, I'm attempting an arm lock with my leg. Shame you just took the 90 seconds of a two hour session cuz it was really fun and good training.

        Clyde

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          #5
          So you're trying to minimize the embarrasment by posting this yourself? Be a man and come up with some excuses ;)

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            #6
            Problem

            Originally posted by Clyde
            Hmm, guess Kirk (AKA Capt Shady AKA FAT BASTARD) couldn't post this. Good clip by the way. Oh yea, it's not Judo, it's a JuJitsu school in Palmdale CA, the guy I'm sparring with is the chief instructor there. Look closely in the mirror when they come back to us after 20 seconds, I'm attempting an arm lock with my leg. Shame you just took the 90 seconds of a two hour session cuz it was really fun and good training.

            Clyde
            Since Kenponet deletes everything Ill repost some of my thoughts here.

            Clyde you were in no position to do an armbar. First he had pulled out his left arm, and second he had you stacked fairly well. However you could have tried to pull off an oma plata with the remaining arm.


            Really Clyde I know this may not be something you want to discuss; however, your experience with a grappler is interesting. Instead of throwing insults I am trying to have an intelligent conversation.

            It seems as though you set off to work on the stand up game and ended up working on a ground game. Bottom line it could happen to ANYONE and like I said it has happened to me. I do not think it is a bad thing to be tapped by another fighter. I have personally learned a lot by getting my ass kicked by better ground fighters on the mat. I will tell you this however, the guys I train with see tapping because of fatigue as a cop out. You can not quit because you tired on the mat. You might be fat or skinny but when you show up to class dont quit because your tired! Now if you get caught in a arm bar or a choke because your tired...thats the time to tap. One of my training friends was just tapped at UFC by a Gullotine choke. He wasnt tired but he just got caught and I consider him one hell of a ground fighter. It happens to the best!!

            Enough of that lets do this.....what was your strategy from a Kenpo stand point going up against a known grappler?

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              #7
              I'm still trying to find out what that video was supposed to prove.

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                #8
                I don't see any shame whatsoever in tapping from fatigue when you're not an active grappler. First of all, grappling and striking take a very different type of endurance. When you train in one and not the other (or spend the vast majority of time training in one) you find the other to be very tiring.

                I felt this full bore when stand-up sparring with Clyde after an hour or so of kickboxing, something I haven't, at that point, done for a couple of years in any serious amount. He can testify to the fact that my arms were barely moving from the overall fatigue. When I was up against his training parner (the name evades me) who was also a better kickboxer than yours truly, I could at least move and throw strikes. By the end, though, I just didn't have anything in me.

                If this clip came from an end of the training session, it is not surprising that he was tired.

                Overall, I feel that this video serves no purpose other to belittle someone who is a legit martial artist and a good fighter, and who is more than willing to spar anyone, share his experience, and be nice about it. We all win some and we lose some, especially in training. Taking a few seconds of friendly sparring, out of context, and putting in these comments isn't good for anyone.

                Hell, we have an American Kenpo guy who's down to earth and willing to get on the mat any time and in good fun. He's a pleasant exception and, IMHO, deserves respect, not scourn.

                Just my two cents.

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                    #10
                    Hmmm........Was that supposed to make Clyde look bad? To me, it isn't in the proper context. Let me tell you why?

                    1) I see a video that shows a sparring match recorded (or edited) after they started.
                    2) I see a video that doesn't show anything of Clyde when he goes down.
                    3) I see a video that doesn't show Clyde until he is tired at the end.


                    Honestly I can't say anything good or bad about Clyde or the JJ guy because we see a few punches and then nothing. Absolutely nothing except the stupid words saying "Where is Clyde?" Which I find funny because, the camera operator doesn't follow their action.

                    So, for me, unless you post the whole video, I'll assume Clyde must have done well up to that point. Simply for the fact it isn't the whole match and it is edited to the point where Clyde disappears and is tired.

                    I see why Clyde is respected. He is really intelligent. He called you out and you came running over to refute what he said. It leads more creedence to his calling you CAPt. Shady. Why didn't you post the vid yourself if you know so much about the circumstances?
                    Last edited by It is Fake; 5/11/2005 12:04am, .

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by HAPKO3
                      I don't see any shame whatsoever in tapping from fatigue when you're not an active grappler. First of all, grappling and striking take a very different type of endurance.
                      Just my two cents.
                      You Know....I totally agree with you on this and great point!

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Fastmover
                        Since Kenponet deletes everything Ill repost some of my thoughts here.

                        Clyde you were in no position to do an armbar. First he had pulled out his left arm, and second he had you stacked fairly well. However you could have tried to pull off an oma plata with the remaining arm.


                        Really Clyde I know this may not be something you want to discuss; however, your experience with a grappler is interesting. Instead of throwing insults I am trying to have an intelligent conversation.

                        It seems as though you set off to work on the stand up game and ended up working on a ground game. Bottom line it could happen to ANYONE and like I said it has happened to me. I do not think it is a bad thing to be tapped by another fighter. I have personally learned a lot by getting my ass kicked by better ground fighters on the mat. I will tell you this however, the guys I train with see tapping because of fatigue as a cop out. You can not quit because you tired on the mat. You might be fat or skinny but when you show up to class dont quit because your tired! Now if you get caught in a arm bar or a choke because your tired...thats the time to tap. One of my training friends was just tapped at UFC by a Gullotine choke. He wasnt tired but he just got caught and I consider him one hell of a ground fighter. It happens to the best!!

                        Enough of that lets do this.....what was your strategy from a Kenpo stand point going up against a known grappler?
                        Well John, I see you joined Bullshido just to fuck with me over this vid, how immature is that. Your post here is indicative of an agenda, not a Q & A session, and there is nothing friendly or intelligent about this conversation. There's nothing in that two hour vid they took 90 seconds of that makes me out to be less or more than I claim.

                        And yes, we had rules, the instructor wanted his guys to get some standup experience, but he didn't want them getting hurt terribly in the process. We agreed to no knees or elbows on the shoot and if it gets to the ground we play their game. The instructor was very cool, kind, and I got some great experience from he and his students.

                        To answer your question, I didn't have strategy, they weren't trying to hurt me. In a real situation, I'd let the environment and target availability dictate my strategy.


                        And yes, I was exhausted and asked the guy I'm rolling with if he would allow me to catch my breath before he hurt me, so I suppose that's a tap, like that's a bad thing. BTW, I can say that I don't know that many Kenpo guys willing to get on the mat and roll, much less not get tapped with a submission in less than a few seconds. I like to grapple, it's great cardio-vascular exercise and builds an incredible amout of isometric resistance, but I'm not there to train in grappling, I'm there to train my own ability to remove the ground game from them by learning their methodology of attack.

                        Try putting your money where you mouth is, you still haven't got any vids of you on the internet do you? In fact, post it here, I'm sure everyone would like to see it now they've had a chance to see your comments about me.

                        Clyde
                        Last edited by Clyde; 5/11/2005 6:14am, .

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                          #13
                          The tap out:

                          It means you give up, it means that, you are in a position/hold/condition that you can't win the match.

                          Wether it be from a hold or from pain or from exhaustion, if you can't win you tap out.

                          Ego has no place on the training mat.

                          That was a pointless video.

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                            #14
                            Seriously, dude. Look at it the flip way: what do you say about some guy who never taps?

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Wounded Ronin
                              Seriously, dude. Look at it the flip way: what do you say about some guy who never taps?
                              Until he wakes up, anything you want.

                              :glasses11

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