Shonin Kwon Do....wtf?

[SARS_Attacks]

www.snkd.com

Has anyone ever heard of Shonin Kwon Do. It says its a blend of ninpo, tkd, and a butt load of other shit.

Oh and one of the students was boasting about the master's ability to beat Royce Gracie on another forum.

Bullshit or no?

[Kinzei]

Below is an outline of the lineage that Shoninkwondo is derived
1. Kusumoki-Kyoshi
1490-1572
Kusumoki-Ryu
Tai-jutsu
2. Miyamoto Kyoshi
1573-1623
jitte-jutsu
3. Fuma no Kazame
1590-1762
Fuma Ryu
Tai-jutsu
4. Koruchi Kazame
1750-1820
Ninpo-Ryu

5. Yasutsue Azato
1820-1906
Shuri-Te
Okinawa
6. Yasutsumue Atako
1831-1916
Shuri-Te Tomari-Te
Okinawa
7. Kanyo Higashanme
1853-1916
Founder of Shorei Ryu
Okinawa
8. Gichin Funakoshi
1868-1957
Founder of Shotokan
9. Suk-Sung-San
1890-1978
Taekwondo
10. Ameshida Kazazame
1948-
Samuria Ryu
11. Suik Hong Kazazame
1956-
Taekwondo
12. Kin Quan Kazazame
1972-
Founder of
Shoninkwondo



I'd say complete bullshit just based on his clamed lineage. Also, this guy is only 32-33 years old. Kind of young to be head of a system, even if it is your own.

[Gringo Grande]

Well...they do have pictures in their gallery with guys wearing MMA gloves...but they also have a freaking romoshopped pic or two.

Gringo Grande

[Gezere]

FUMA RYU!!!!!!!

*whistle* *toss fla* BS on the play 15 yard penalty!!!

Kiddies Fuma Ryu is one of those red flag arts. Its dead. There is no continous lineage. ANYONE claims such lineage is full of it.

Now the name of the art. SHONIN KWON DO according to the kanji used mess WITNESS FIST WAY. But what I don't think he realizes is the witness in this case is meant for someone taking the stand in a court of law. Pluse mixing languages in a name!!!! :eusa_naug

Speaking of names lets look at some:

Kin Quan Kazazama
Ameshida Kehong Kazazama
Suik Hung Kazazama.

:eusa_thin :eusa_thin :eusa_thin
I'm speechless.

This is just ripping on the cosmetic level of the art. I'll have to watch the vids to ge t to the actual meat but its not looking good.

I really don't have a problem with pple founding their own arts. All systems were founded by someone but those pple at least had an clue. :5paperbag

[The Kai]

Actually I think he is holding the sword incorrectly
I really liked the "staring off at the distant misty mounyains", maybe when the buzz wears off he realize that he's been waiting for the sunset ON a POSTER!!

[Gezere]

Actually I think he is holding the sword incorrectly

He is.

[SARS_Attacks]

Yeah, I definately thought this "style" was fishy. One of the students was all bragging about its d34dlin3ss and that they can take on anyone.

[bluewolf]

First question. How do you hold a sword wrong when it's resting on your shoulder? i mean, and i could be completely wrong on this, but is there some sort of all powerful technique for holding your sword on your shoulder? if so please let me know.

Second question. How come everyone is constantly saying that the Fuma Ryu is dead? even in my Japanese history books it states that Fuma Ryu disappeared; never that it died. Now i do understand that when coming to most arts that are very disputable as such there are more pre-cautions to take but that does not mean an art is dead. Sho Kosugi is known for being in and studying Tanaka Ryu which is a sect of Fuma Ryu. Now if it is true that Fuma Ryu is completely dead wouldn't that also mean all of the sects of Fuma Ryu like Tanaka Ryu and others be as equally dead? Then how come they still exist?

[Zendetta]

THe only cool arts with mixed language names are Bartitsu and Rex Kwon Do.

[MONGO]

First question. How do you hold a sword wrong when it's resting on your shoulder? i mean, and i could be completely wrong on this, but is there some sort of all powerful technique for holding your sword on your shoulder? if so please let me know.

Second question. How come everyone is constantly saying that the Fuma Ryu is dead? even in my Japanese history books it states that Fuma Ryu disappeared; never that it died. Now i do understand that when coming to most arts that are very disputable as such there are more pre-cautions to take but that does not mean an art is dead. Sho Kosugi is known for being in and studying Tanaka Ryu which is a sect of Fuma Ryu. Now if it is true that Fuma Ryu is completely dead wouldn't that also mean all of the sects of Fuma Ryu like Tanaka Ryu and others be as equally dead? Then how come they still exist?

Sho Kosugi is a fake and you are exceptionally stupid for basing an argument on that load of shit. There is a lot of things wrong with the way he handled the sword because if he claims to teach a Japanese style of kenjutsu and he can't handle the blade right, it is a dead on spot, to him being full of shit. Including the Fuma ryu/Tanaka ryu and Aikijujutsu bullshit, every picture and word on that sight is a lie.

[BackFistMonkey]

Videos

# 4,5,8,9 and 10 are hilarious and worth the wait

http://www.snkd.com/Post4.htm

http://www.snkd.com/Post5.htm

http://www.snkd.com/Post8.htm

http://www.snkd.com/Post9.htm

http://www.snkd.com/Post10.htm

these should go direct to play in I.E. and problably in firefox ..

*edit*
maybe in firefox if your lucky and have the MediaPlayerConnectivity Extension

[bluewolf]

sorry Mongo; i was just making an observation. and as such can you prove that "every word on that sight is a lie" ? don't take this the wrong way, i'm just looking for more factual backup. and about Sho, he is a credited for studying Tanaka Ryu now for how long or how close is completely up to speculation on my part for I have never met him, but I have laughed a good bit when watching the opening scenes to his movies (the ones where he goes over how to "use" the weapons).

i thought video 9 was pretty good but the little kid was funny. sidenote, the videos didn't play in firefox for me for somereason i had to use I.E. just a heads up.

[MONGO]

The fact that there is no documentation to any of his claims and he is misleading people into attending his classes is disgusting. I think that martial arts quality control is a big priority and if people don't have qualifications, they should not be trying to teach.
Making up a martial art in the US is relatively easy seeing as most people don't know shit about it. For people who have seriously studied martial arts, its insulting to have something that important shit upon.
If I made up a church, people would line up to call bullshit on it, I don't see martial arts as being different. The fact that more people do not get outraged shows that there is not a lot of people who are really serious about learning Budo or Martial Arts in general.

[meng_mao]

PURE AWESOME.

[bluewolf]

your last statement is very VERY true "The fact that more people do not get outraged shows that there is not a lot of people who are really serious about learning Budo or Martial Arts in general." That is why there are so many MC Dojo's around. Just curious but have you ever seen the movie (actually it's more of a documentery on Martial Arts in Japan) called Budo? There is also another one (if i can find the link i'll add it) of Ishida (the all japan kendoist) going for and recieving his Hachi Dan in kendo.