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    "But then it isn't Chi Sau anymore"

    So I was at a psytrance party this weekend. Guy out on the floor was doing his kung fu, looked like some kind of internal shit but then it would, he's not about to go flailing his fists around in the middle of a psytrance party. Get into a conversation with him, looks like some Hung Gar, some Wing Chun, some Tai Chi, little this, little that. An enthusiast.

    Late, late in the evening, I'm wandering towards the back when I spot Yogi Bear and this guy doing the internal kung fu dance: You know, the free-hand flowing block-centric slow-motion slappy fighting? So they dance around for awhile, get bored eventually, stop. I say that it's very interesting what they're doing, but why don't they ever clinch? The guy's all 'what' so I start the internal kung fu dance, get an elbow, clinch the head, pull low, and do a nice gentle o soto gari. All of this at the appropriate hippy pacing and use of force. He sort of comes down and wraps one of my legs with both of his, and looks at me like "ha, but I have one of your legs!" This I'm willing to ignore. I help the guy up and say something about that's why I wonder why they don't clinch, and he says "but then it wouldn't be Chi Sao! Chi Sao is like this" and sticks his arms out again like a champ. Bridge, get head, one underhook, o soto gari, at the speed of interpretive dance. I get the leg wrap again, and extricate myself this time.

    Yogi Bear makes some sort of crack about what a brute I am. This, incidentally, has nothing to do with the Judo and everything to do with the Xingyi. He says "Where is the art!" so we start the slow-motion slappy fight dance, I get an arm, and Yogi is kind enough to let me execute a harai goshi into kesa gatame.

    Afterwards I spread the gospel of Bullshido, so, perhaps this fellow will turn up around here yet. He's in Wisconsin so we're not too likely to see him for Throwdowns and whatnot.

    Moral of the story: Tai Chi hippies can be taught the rubbishness of their pushing hands without having to harsh their mellow. Just ask for a round of freeform push hands, pummel them gently, and dump them.

    #2
    wtf is that on ur avatar

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      #3
      Huh, interesting.

      Of course, as I understand it, the point of chi sao isn't to realistically spar, but rather to build some narrow aspects of some particular skillset.

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        #4
        Originally posted by EternalRage
        wtf is that on ur avatar
        Its a deep sea fish, don't you watch fucking pixar movies??? Finding Nemo! HELLO!!! :angryfire

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          #5
          The exercise known as chi sao (and that known as pushing hands) requires the tacit agreement of both participants to prevent it evolving into slow-motion clinching practice.

          That, if anything, is the point.

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            #6
            Psytrance and goa is the shit, and you're the man for liking it.

            Who was playing?

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              #7
              Shai, S.O.T, Kaizer Soze, Derby, and Dan Efex. Locals, in other words. It was a good night.

              Infected Mushroom came around weekend after New Years. That was something else.

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                #8
                Well, it's cool that you have locals into that sort of thing. I've always been a SUN Project fan.

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                  #9
                  You were at a dance ? The "Clinch" is not top of my dance move list, it's somewhere near the bottom with the double leg and the guard pass.

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                    #10
                    Goa 0wnes you.

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                      #11
                      Busting moves to psytrance, fuck yeah. I dont consciously move through kung fu moves, but your arms end up around the same sort of things sometimes. Who does push hands at a psytrance party? Crazy! The lights would be enough to mess with my head.

                      Chi sao fast and strong is awesome fun, you can start that range then move about. Yay. *chi sao's random hippy while out*

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                        #12
                        Well, the last time I checked, you can't just Bong Sau when someone shoots in.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by MrMcFu
                          Well, the last time I checked, you can't just Bong Sau when someone shoots in.
                          You wouldn't need to. Horse stance training and finger-poke of death will take care of that for you.

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                            #14
                            Secrets of biu gee, send me 89.96$ and I can teach you how over msn! Offer ends soon.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Wounded Ronin
                              Huh, interesting.

                              Of course, as I understand it, the point of chi sao isn't to realistically spar, but rather to build some narrow aspects of some particular skillset.
                              Correct. Chi Sao isn't free sparring. You are supposed to keep close in with your forearms in contact most of the time. You can practice it with hard contact, and standup grappling (armlocks and the simple WC throws) is a normal part of it.

                              Free sparring is also practiced in good WC schools, but groundwork isn't part of it (at least not at any school I've trained at or visited).

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