wing chun vs tong long

[Southpaw]

Funny that 2 months of Boxing will place ANY person above 2 years of WC (equal physical virtues)

Bullshit.

I love boxing...and have a decent amount of experience w/ it...but this generalization is crap. Surely it's true in some cases.

If they train the same amount of hours, both under very good instructors...I'll take a WC fighter over a boxer. Boxers don't know dick about kick defenses, and are esentially blind from the waist down.

[Poop Loops]

WC has kicks?

PL

[Colin]

If they train the same amount of hours, both under very good instructors...I'll take a WC fighter over a boxer.

You are backing the wrong horse, cowboy.

[PoleFighter]

One thread mentions WC.. and the technique debate begins.

I love WC.

[prodigal]

Sorry for the delay, but:

www.chinesekungfuacademy.com/home.htm - mantis

www.combatcentres.com/queensland.html - chunners

Cheers

[Mr. Mantis]

Wing Chun inst about learning forms, its about practical application.

Its a simple system you could learn all the forms in a month, but they would be of no practical use.

All martial arts should be about martial application.

The techniques are in the forms. So there are low gate blocks repersented in the forms? I must have missed it.

Amp: Who me? I'm nobody. Don't mind that on your back there either, it's just raining a little bit.

Prodigal: Just by looking at those two websites, if I had to choose between the two, I would probably choose the wing chun school. Just looks like less bullshit at the WC place, whenever I see lion dancing and lots of emphasis on either lineage or tradition or culture, I take it as a warning sign. It's just bullshit that will take up time away from actually learning how to fight. You are really going to have to check them out in person to know which best suits your taste.

[wingchunnewbie]

1. Mantis actually teaches footwork and kicks.
2. Mantis also incorporates sweeps and throws.
3. mantis incorporates movements from several styles like monkey and tiger.

The only reason (in my opinion) that Wing Chun is still so popular is because it's the martial art that Bruce Lee originally studied.

Wing Chun teaches footwork and kicks. Wing Chun incorporates sweeps and throws. Wing Chun _doesn't_ include any 'animal style' movements.

[wingchunnewbie]

To be honest I don't know that much about wing chun except for the fact that the whole first form is performed with your feet firmly planted in one place. Not much foot work there.

Yes. We do things other than forms in our training.

[Mayhem]

If you want close fighting do WC.
If you want mid range do Mantis.

But best to go check out the two schools you are deciding between and see how they run things.

In my (novice) opinion WC is more suited to shorter/stockier people
Mantis is more suited to taller/lankier people (that look like a mantis).

[Southpaw]

Wing Chun _doesn't_ include any 'animal style' movements.

Not true.

Bil Jee is derived from snake techniques.

Bon sau is derived from crane techniques.

There are many others...

[prodigal]

Good input guys. As far as the stature issue goes, I'm about 5'8 and 78kg ( sorry, don't know empirical that well ), and in good shape as far as body fat, strength to mass and speed go. Will check out both clubs and keep you all posted. Would like to explore this wing chun vs tong long issue without falling into the all too common "wing chun sucks" mindframe in the process.

[Colin]

Prodigal.. BOXING.. LEARN WESTERN BOXING...

[Preacher Man]

Yes. We do things other than forms in our training.

WCN, dont you sometimes wish people would actually learn a bit about WC before slating it? lol

[Mr. Mantis]

If you want close fighting do WC.
If you want mid range do Mantis.

But best to go check out the two schools you are deciding between and see how they run things.

In my (novice) opinion WC is more suited to shorter/stockier people
Mantis is more suited to taller/lankier people (that look like a mantis).

Mayhem: Who let you use the computer?


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[EternalRage]

prodigal, do mantis.

I did wing chun for 2 yrs. Regardless of <the debate of> its effectiveness, the system itself is too optimistic. The amount of efficient movement and theory thats in wing chun is too much - its too efficient to the point that its as ridiculous as like wushu. <meaning its the other extreme> The whole time i was doing it i missed torquing my body and bobbing weaving and other stuff. if you do wing chun you will just develop efficient but impractical habits.

mantis doesnt seem that much better but i dont know much about it