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    Help! My niece wants to join a McDojo

    I need some help. My precious 10 year old niece told me today that she wants to take TaeKwonDo. When I asked her why she told me that her friend Nicole does TKD and she is almost a black belt. I told her to come take the kids class at my school and she asked if she could get a blackbelt. I told her after a lot of hard work and years of practice she could. She then said, "well Nicole got hers in two years." I don't know what to tell her. Can someone please help me?

    "There is no such thing as a bisexual man. If you like dick, you're gay."

    She's ten. She shouldn't be doing the martial arts if she doesn't understand their significance...

    But since saying no to kids doesn't work anymore, tell her that it's not about the belt and all that blah. She might just listen. Failing that at least find her a WTF school that does a lot of kiddie sparring. It's way better than any point sparring shite.
    Rad ki was made up by adolescents. I do not know who created trad ki but it was not made by adolescents. your an ass dude, Im not being a little bitch you are, your past the level of a bitch. Your beyond Bitch! If im easting my time with ki and psi, then your wasting time to prove frauds, and all shit like that! -theoutsider

    Kick boxing is ok, but don't expect do beat a man like Rickson Gracie with that. You need a real martial art. You need Xing Yi Quan. -Emptyflower

    The splits, how ever, have a few martial uses. Doing the splits for me, can put my fists in testical strike range.

    dont ignore the Art for the Martial or else your just kick boxing

    Yes i am serious, there are kicks that can block punches. we have them in Moo duk kwan.
    I want to learn how to use them in case my arm gets broken in a fight.
    what would you have me do? if my arm gets broke, not block punches? -sempi-stone


      Tell her friend Nicole to come to your school for a day. Bring your niece. Nicole can spar one of your BBs.


        Call Christopher Walken and have him talk to her.

        No, really, let her. So what if she gets a meaningless TKD blackbelt when she is 12? Keep her on the right track, let her know that the blackbelt, while worked hard for, does not equate to the ability to fight or defend herself.

        Let her do it, but don't let her ego inflate about it. Lots of people start at McDojo's and go on to better things.
        "Quiet fool before I am kicking the butt!"
        -My three year old trash talking to me

        "Integrity can't be bought or sold---you either have it or you don't."
        -The Honky Tonk Man

        "If you can't be a shining example, at least be a dire warning."
        -My Father to me one day

        "No surprise. Until Aikido sheds its street-brawling, thuggish image, it'll never be mainstream."
        -Don Gwinn


          Tell her she can train in TKD as long as she learns some phat triX for self defense.


            Some excercise is better than no excercise.

            I'm seeing this as a competition between your niece and her friend Nicole. Your niece wants what Nicole has - a BB. And she wants it ASAP to be on the same level as Nicole.

            If you sell your place as "better", that she'll be one-up on Nicole somehow, then you might be able to have her avoid mcdojo-ism.

            I'd try "Well the reason Nicole can get a BB in two years is because [TKD sucks? TKD only deals with kicking? insert reasonable answer here - but she will quote it] while where I go we do so much more fun stuff...blah, blah, blah."

            Just my 2 cents.


            Oh, and you can use the inquiry method to find out why she wants to go there and take TKD. Maybe it's just to hang out with Nicole. Keep asking "Why" and get her to explain herself. You then might have something to use to steer her away from the place.
            Last edited by jaychiu; 12/23/2004 10:11am, .


              Two very viable solutions here....

              Let her go to TKD and get a decorative black belt, just make sure she understands EXACTLY what it represents.


              Try to sell her on the quality of training at a more realistic school. Being a badassmofo is always cooler than being fashionable. (hard to sell to a girl, tho.)
              And lo, Kano looked down upon the field and saw the multitudes. Amongst them were the disciples of Uesheba who were greatly vexed at his sayings. And Kano spake: "Do not be concerned with the mote in thy neighbor's eye, when verily thou hast a massive stick in thine ass".

              --Scrolls of Bujutsu: Chapter 5 vs 10-14.


                aren't people here always bitching about 10 year old black belts, including myself? why is it being promoted here? isn't this the problem with tkd that's always harped on?


                  Here's a thought. Since it will be her PARENTS paying for the classes, explain to her PARENTS the pros and cons of her decision. Let them know what they are in for (testing fees every 2 months, uniform fees if they push new uniform with every belt, over priced BB testing fees) Break down financially. Have her friend see your school as well. If all else fails, let her do it anyway, would you rather she not have any knowledge or some knowledge? Better yet, why don't you train her?
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                  My definition of Ki is our energy. it's rather hard to explain it in words. It's not some mystical type of energy like white people...

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                    the point isnt the black belt .... thats nothing more than a trophy on the wall or a cheerleading medal ...

                    the point is getting your niece to ...

                    1. excercise ...

                    2. achieve something through regular attendance and build good personal habits ...

                    it is MUCH better to have a dedicated person take TKD ... than someone who really isnt into it take BJJ ...

                    some girls dont like sparring or rolling with sweaty boys ...
                    totoro-san ... world sushi munching champion ...


                      Thanks for all the input. The problem I have is I know she would have a much better time at my school but as Jaychiu said she wants what Nicole has. My sister kind of left it in my hands as she has no knowledge in this area. I am glad she is showing interest in MA and I don't want to turn her away from it. So as much as it pains me I am thinking now maybe I should let her start the TKD at her friend's McDojo and hope that I can turn her interest as soon as possible. It sounds like a few of you agree with this way of thinking but I feel that I am supporting McDojoism which is just wrong to me.

                      "There is no such thing as a bisexual man. If you like dick, you're gay."


                        Most 10 year olds just want to try stuff out. Chances are she will loose interest in wanting a black belt in less than 3 months. If she sticks with it then you can sell her your school later.


                          judo's always great for kids...

                          sorry. bored at work. brain melting. all i can come up with...


                            To be sneaky, I would come at her from an unexpected angle in the conversation.

                            a) Do you want to train with Nicole, or do you just want the belt?

                            b) If she says she wants the belt I would obtain a BB via mail order, hand it to her and say sweetly, now what did that accomplish?

                            c) More relevantly you can ask her, so why does Nicole want to train, self defense, sport, ect since she seems to be making the decisions here?

                            I know, I probably shouldn't have kids.


                              That civilisation may not sink,
                              Its great battle lost,
                              Quiet the dog, tether the pony
                              To a distant post;
                              Our master Caesar is in the tent
                              Where the maps are spread,
                              His eyes fixed upon nothing,
                              A hand under his head.

                              - W.B. Yeats



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