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    #2
    I was taught that it helped you take a shot to your body. That the sudden expulsion of air helped to keep you from getting the wind knocked out of you as well as put more power into your strike. Kind of like breathing out hard before you hit someone in football or before you hit the ground.

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      #3
      That'd be another reasonable use, though in that case just breathing out forceably might be more efficient.




      **Oh my god! I don't wanna go to THE STREET mommy! All the mean crazy psycho ninjas pick on me and take my lunch money.**

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        #4
        Doch,
        When I fenced, we had a guy who did that a lot, and all it did was alert me to the fact that he intended something. Our instructor worked hard to break him of the habit.
        When I was practicing Chinese external martial arts, we were taught a different breathing technique. Rather than punctuate, we were to exhale through the entire duration of our attack, rather than punctuate strikes. This helped with fluidity of motion, and contracts the abdominals to protect the internal organs. Beginners were encouraged to vocalize, but eventually you were expected to stop doing it.
        When I was in Taekkyon, the breathing was very different. We made a sub-vocalized "ik" sound simultaneous with exhale and punctuating strikes.
        All in all, I think the long silent exhale was the best breathing technique I learned. The "ik" is more like the boxing type. I think the shock factor of the kiai has been utterly obsoletized by the countervalent Karate Kid factor.

        **The most miraculous power that can verifiably be attributed to "chi" is its ability to be all things to virtually all people, depending on what version of the superstition they are attempting to defend at any given moment.**
        Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the fuck I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog

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          #5
          Wastrel,

          Actually we are taught to exhale throughout a movement, for the same reasons you bring up. This makes the incorporation of a kiai difficult unless you move quite quickly (I'm slow so it doesn't work well for me). I tend to hold my breath anyway (left over trait from competitive swimming) so I'm screwed either way.

          As you say the shock factor may be diminshed (damn that ralph machio) however against random a-holes a kiai still set them off their stride.




          **Oh my god! I don't wanna go to THE STREET mommy! All the mean crazy psycho ninjas pick on me and take my lunch money.**

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            #6
            I would not do it. It prepares your opponent for a certain kind of attack. Come on Doch, shock with one of those TMA "eye gouges"!! ;)

            **The most miraculous power that can verifiably be attributed to "chi" is its ability to be all things to virtually all people, depending on what version of the superstition they are attempting to defend at any given moment.**
            Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the fuck I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog

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              #7
              Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the fuck I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog

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                #8
                Like I said psuedo-korean! :P

                Also said "might". I agree with a lot of the criticism of the technique but definitly see the pragmatic orgins of it, and am not yet fully convinced of its being obsolete for self-defence purposes.

                Also for the sake of argument what sort of attack does it prepare you for? A kick, a punch, a takedown, running away, which?




                **Oh my god! I don't wanna go to THE STREET mommy! All the mean crazy psycho ninjas pick on me and take my lunch money.**

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                  #9
                  p.s. check your ucd email.




                  **Oh my god! I don't wanna go to THE STREET mommy! All the mean crazy psycho ninjas pick on me and take my lunch money.**

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                    #10
                    that is how I've heard it pronounced. I spelled it the way I did more in replication of those who have criticized the practice than anything else.




                    **Oh my god! I don't wanna go to THE STREET mommy! All the mean crazy psycho ninjas pick on me and take my lunch money.**

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                      #11
                      Very true. Sometimes I think mine comes out awful close to "die", certainly one syllable. Though its usually more atonal (I think that's the right word anyway).




                      **Oh my god! I don't wanna go to THE STREET mommy! All the mean crazy psycho ninjas pick on me and take my lunch money.**

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                        #12
                        >When I use mine it comes out like "hut", "ut", "tah" or "tohhh" depending on my intentions

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                          #13
                          I find ki ya ing or however you want to spell it silly. makes me want to chukle when someone does it.

                          Distracting? maybe.

                          but like all techs, if you have to think about it instead of just doing it as a natural reaction, it is useless.

                          I sometimes grunt when moving a heavy object, but that is natural. sound more like ggrrrrrrrr, than hi-ya

                          I would put it in the same catagory as kata, or counting in koerean, or refering to techs in thier native language.

                          A waste of valuble training time.

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                            #14
                            ESS,

                            Just like other techniques if you incorporate it into your training you won't have to think about it, you'll just do it.

                            I agree the main purpose is distraction, and that is a bad thing?




                            **Oh my god! I don't wanna go to THE STREET mommy! All the mean crazy psycho ninjas pick on me and take my lunch money.**

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                              #15
                              Osiris,
                              Kihap, Gihab, whatever you have to understand that either of these is an incorrect rendering of the actual Korean sounds. The initial g/k is actually much more like a g, it is commonly rendered as k because Korean consonantal equivalents of G, D, B have no nasal dimension to them. That's why the P/B rendering as well. There are hard versions of these consonants, but they are very different and don't really have good equivalents. Think of the hard K as KKHH. There is also another strong G sound that is more glottal. Think of it as Gg. Anyway...I heard some TKD guy pronounce "bow" which actually means salute as Kingnay. It's Kyongnae.

                              **The most miraculous power that can verifiably be attributed to "chi" is its ability to be all things to virtually all people, depending on what version of the superstition they are attempting to defend at any given moment.**
                              Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the fuck I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog

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