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    John Wang / Combat Shuai Jiao

    In Trollshido on the "Attn:Djimbe" thread John Wang has come up once again. It's not the first time his name has come up here but it's starting to bug me that I keep seeing the implication that because he uses wierd terminology that people here aren't used to and possible even just because he teaches a Chinese style I keep hearing people say they think he's obviously full of shit.

    So in the Bullshido spirit, he's supposed to be in Austin www.combatshuaichiao.com

    There is also his personal website....

    don't laugh...ok laugh: www.johnswang.com (some TKD nut already had www.johnwang.com taken and he's got a sense of humor)

    I can't seem to open it from here. But there must be somebody here in the area that could go and check him out.

    I would so LooooVe to hear from someone who went down to meet him and try and prove his methods were BS.

    I believe there is also a teacher, David Lin in NY who is his gong fu 'brother', ie learned from the same teacher and the 2 of them trained together.

    Go get 'em!
    Last edited by Omar; 8/26/2004 7:16pm, .
    Fighting evil and upholding justice in blue silk pajamas baby!
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=UGaYD_wcaIg

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=6Uepo9ahg-M

    Bah!!! Puny Humans.



    #2
    Yeah, I studied for a few months with David Lin in New York. He's not B.S. at all. He's an older guy, but he trains very valid methods, and the students work on each other in the class.

    Why does anybody think that guy's B.S.?

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      #3
      Basicall......I'm not sure. I think it's because he uses funny language on account of being from Taiwan, he doesn't 'believe' in groundwork and he teaches a Chinese are percieved by most here as 'bad Judo'.

      See for yourself: http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...&pagenumber=30

      Technically we're talking about John Wang not David Lin but they presumably teach the same thing and I wanted to make it easier to find a contact.
      Fighting evil and upholding justice in blue silk pajamas baby!
      http://youtube.com/watch?v=UGaYD_wcaIg

      http://youtube.com/watch?v=6Uepo9ahg-M

      Bah!!! Puny Humans.


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        #4
        The Chinese nomenclature is no more recondite to me than the "grappling" terminology. It's equally confusing.

        But I note that many Chinese stylists are inordinately insistent on not explaining anything when asked. Rather, they are likely to pile analogy upon analogy upon koan in order to pose as profound or knowledgeable. Asking for clarification is treated as impertinent, ignorant, and/or rude.

        Any knowledge claims coupled with bloody-minded obfuscatory behavior are highly doubtful. If I were to ask a "grappler" what he means by "shooting", I gather I would get a highly detailed response.
        Last edited by Gelid Light; 8/26/2004 7:32pm, .

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          #5
          re .. con . . ..dite.

          Dude, you need abjure obfuscation.
          Fighting evil and upholding justice in blue silk pajamas baby!
          http://youtube.com/watch?v=UGaYD_wcaIg

          http://youtube.com/watch?v=6Uepo9ahg-M

          Bah!!! Puny Humans.


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            #6
            Shuai Chiao is a little different than Judo, Jujitsu, but David Lin's approach, at least, is different as well.

            Traditional Shuai Chiao they don't do breakfalls, and they don't do groundwork.

            Basically, the Chinese believe that going to the ground is stupid, because you're usually sparring more than 1 guy, so if you go to the ground, you are pretty much dead.

            So, yes, he doesn't do a lot of groundwork.

            BUT, since his American students all had taken Judo / Jujitsu, whatever, before, he took great pride in throwing us to the ground like mad because in his words, 'you know how to fall'.

            It's just another type of grappling. Is it different than Judo or Jujitsu? Yes. Is it worse, no. Is it better? I don't know. The stuff that I did there was basically the same as Jujitsu.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Gelid Light
              The Chinese nomenclature is no more recondite to me than the "grappling" terminology. It's equally confusing.

              But I note that many Chinese stylists are inordinately insistent on not explaining anything when asked. Rather, they are likely to pile analogy upon analogy upon koan in order to pose as profound or knowledgeable. Asking for clarification is treated as impertinent, ignorant, and/or rude.

              Any knowledge claims coupled with bloody-minded obfuscatory behavior are highly doubtful. If I were to ask a "grappler" what he means by "shooting", I gather I would get a highly detailed response.
              I'd agree with him if I understood what he wrote. He had me at nomenclature.

              Omar:

              Thanks for posting the links. I'll go check them out. (With as opened a mind as possible. :D )
              Last edited by jaychiu; 8/26/2004 8:11pm, .

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                #8
                Hey edward, where is David Lin located in NY? Does he have a website?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by that guy
                  Hey edward, where is David Lin located in NY? Does he have a website?
                  I'd have to look it up. He must be pretty old now. He must have been at least early sixties at that time.

                  Last I was there must have been like 1998, and I think it was down just south -west of the village somewhere.

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                    #10
                    It should be noted that the David Lin of New York is not the David Lin associated with John Wang. That David Lin lives and teaches here in Atlanta.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Skummer
                      It should be noted that the David Lin of New York is not the David Lin associated with John Wang. That David Lin lives and teaches here in Atlanta.
                      ? Really? The NY one teaches shuai chiao and is from Taiwan. Do they both teach shuai chiao?

                      I think the New York one called himself "David Lee Lin"

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                        #12
                        Check the locations at this link...

                        http://www.combatshuaichiao.com/acsca.html

                        David Lin of CSCA has been here in Atlanta for a good while, since the 80's I believe. He teaches at the chinese cultural center here in Atlanta.

                        On the other hand, the David Lin of NY has a spotty reputation in the cma community. I'm not sure why that is, but I've heard nothing but negatives about the NY guy.

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                          #13
                          Thanks a lot for reminding me of that Skummer.

                          I actually knew that there were 2 David Lin's and forgot about that. One of them has been accused of taking advantage of the other one's reputation.

                          So that means you OR Whiteshark should be able to vouch for David Lin. It's too bad no one's around Austin.

                          Osiris,

                          Fair enough. I am not really in a position to argue in his defense. Why should I anyways. . . I suspect though that he recognized what the guy was trying to do but just doesn't think it's a good tactic. That's one of the things he tends to argue with the bagua guys about. He says bagua footwork is too dangerous because you often cross your legs. Just because someone understands something doesn't mean he has to agree with it. You criticism is actually no harsher than he has recieved on many many topics at emptyflower for 'dissing' various traditional Chinese tactics.

                          Another example that comes to mind would be his view on groundwork. He doesn't like it, doesn't teach it, says he prefers to carry a knife, sharpens his teeth with a file and likes to practice biting on a pigs leg that he keeps around for that purpose. After 3 years of training his "leg biting" technique, you should be able to reach the bone on a raw pigs leg. :D
                          Fighting evil and upholding justice in blue silk pajamas baby!
                          http://youtube.com/watch?v=UGaYD_wcaIg

                          http://youtube.com/watch?v=6Uepo9ahg-M

                          Bah!!! Puny Humans.


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                            #14
                            Omar, try to PM much love, I believe he trained with John Wang's group in Austin in the past.

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                              #15
                              What exactly does this guy teach that is "bullshido" ?

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