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    I've rolled maybe 5 times with no gi.

    It's humbling to say the least.
    Originally posted by Sifu Rudy Abel
    "Just what makes a pure grappler think he can survive with an experienced striker. Especially if that striker isn't following any particular rule set and is well aware of what the grapplers strategies are".


      The instructor is an awesome guy...he has done no gi and admitted that he isn't as nearly proficient at it as no-gi. In not so many words he inferred that I would clean the floor with his students in no gi and God forbid we started in a standup position with striking allowed :) However the instructor has 29 years of Judo and wrestling background and I'm not dumb enough to think that I can't learn A LOT from all that experience. He already stated that due to his lack of height and my exceptional height that he'd only work with me on positioning...the other instructor who is 6'4" or so is gone for a couple weeks and that is who he wants teaching me the throws...I thought this was a nice gesture on his part that showed his true desire to help me improve to the best of my ability.

      I'm looking for honest answers here, I don't want anyone starting a God damn flame war. I went looking for Judo people because of somethings that were mentioned on these forums that I felt would be beneficial for my all around training. I know in an MMA or fighting situation that I could kick the shit out of almost every one of the people there...with the exception of the instructor...if he got me to to the ground I would = t3h d34d. Mainly because all they do is train under judo rules, I expect them to be better at it than I since I've never done Judo.

      My first experience I went in with no ego and attitude and they were all very friendly and helpful and I think that is the point. They like Judo...they don't want to do MMA and so I don't think to myself when someone smothers me with a gi, "Oh this asshole cheated". No, he won by the rules of his game which I don't have a problem with and intend to have fun learning until I become proficient in the throws I want to learn. :)

      Please keep Royce vs Yosh gayness out of this thread as well please.

      Gringo Grande
      MMA Record vs Llamas 0-1-0
      (The Llama bit my junk but the ref didn't see it).


        "I'm looking for honest answers here, I don't want anyone starting a God damn flame war."

        I apologize if you thought that this was my intent. I assumed by the thread that you are fairly new to throws, and what I said can be valuable advice, if you werent already aware. Im not saying anyone sucks or anything is better than anything else, Im just saying that if you dont ever wrestle no gi in class, it would be a very wise idea to at least wrestle with a classmate outside of glass no gi.


          Meat Shake, I wasn't going off on you :) My background <b>IS</b> no gi and standup. Due to my height...I've been terrible at wrestling style takedowns and I wanted to improve that. Several members of the community mentioned a couple of Judo throws that would work well for tall people so that is why I even looked into Judo to begin with.

          I love and prefer no-gi but I understand that playing with the Judo guys and using a gi will make me a better martial artist. I was more irate at the people bringing up the so very tired Gracie vs Yosh argument. It is history, it isn't changing, get over it.

          So I apologize Meat if you thought I was directing anything at you because I was not. :)

          Gringo Grande
          MMA Record vs Llamas 0-1-0
          (The Llama bit my junk but the ref didn't see it).


            Tis ok.
            If you are having trouble with takedowns, judo should help a lot.
            There are a LOT of throws made for the taller man. Almost any upper body control is easier when you are taller.


              Originally posted by Gringo Grande

              A question for you...I worked out with some of his students...the gi slowed me down terribly but I'm happy for the technical refinement that I know is coming from it. I was surprised by 2 things in particular during my first 3 hours.

              1) Every one of the students went for a scarfhold position when attempting this normal in Judo?
              2) None of them seemed familiar with an omaplata...I'll be the first to admit I'm tall with long legs and exceptionally flexible...I've surprised a number of people with the oma...but it didn't seem to by a standard Judo move to these guys. Any insight into that?

              Also, since you are a BJJ/Judo practitioner...what do you find effective for a BJJ guy against a Judoka? None of the lower belt students seemed comfortable to pull guard.

              Thanks for answering,

              Gringo Grande
              1) Judo loves the scarf hold. I think it because a lot of high % throws go into that better than anything else. Also, if the person is familar with BJJ and know you do it, then they probably know that the scarf hold position is not utilized as much in BJJ.
              2) At a high level, it is the most common guard sub you will see. The kicker is that it is tecnically not Judo legal, but it is impossable to prove it is not attacking the elbow so you can get away with it.

              If you are a BJJ guy agaisnt a Judoka, your natural reaction is going to be to bend over. Don't. Work on bending the knees and keeping your back relatively straight. I would work on your tomoenage. Even if it misses you land in guard with a real throw attempt.
              And that's when I figured out that tears couldn't make somebody who was dead alive again. There's another thing to learn about tears, they can't make somebody who doesn't love you any more love you again. It's the same with prayers. I wonder how much of their lives people waste crying and praying to God. If you ask me, the devil makes more sense than God does. I can at least see why people would want him around. It's good to have somebody to blame for the bad stuff they do. Maybe God's there because people get scared of all the bad stuff they do. They figure that God and the Devil are always playing this game of tug-of-war game with them. And they never know which side they're gonna wind up on. I guess that tug-of-war idea explains how sometimes, even when people try to do something good, it still turns out bad.


                that's coz judo rizzocks bizzotch.
                A lie gets half-way around the world before the truth has time to get it's pants on. - Winston Churchhill



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