Rigan Machado knowingly promotes convicted rapist to BJJ black belt

[Dr. Gonzo]

No, stop it.

I said you are giving him an out, which has NOTHING to do with right or wrong. It is all about giving someone an excuse or reason to say "no, this isn't what happened."


One huge straw man. It has already been questioned and NO ONE has refuted anything with any type of tangible proof. Questioning means you do something, not sit back and wait while spewing all of these straw man arguments and red herrings. I'd pick it apart, but you just don't see what you are doing with those love glasses on.

The burden of proof regarding the promotion is on Saucido, because he is the one who made the claim of the promotion.

The burden of proof to deny Saucido's claim is not on Rigan.

Although I frankly wish Rigan would deny it.

And why would you ever tell anyone not to question or double check the details associated with a chain of evidence?

If the details are solid, then they will hold up.

If the investigation is done properly, such scrutiny by independent examiners is always welcomed because it improves the quality of the investigation.

[Michael Tzadok]

The burden of proof regarding the promotion is on Saucido, because he is the one who made the claim of the promotion. The burden of proof to deny is not on Rigan.

Although I frankly wish Rigan would deny it.

And why would you ever tell anyone not to question or double check the details associated with a chain of evidence?

If the details are solid, then they will hold up.

If the investigation is done properly, such scrutiny by independent examiners is always welcomed because it improves the quality of the investigation.

Maybe you didn't notice that BJJEE also took this up. Reviewed Georgette's evidence, and uncovered some unique pieces that Georgette had missed. So, I personally take that as independent verification, and that the story is now dual sourced, which puts the burden of proof on Rigan.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Maybe you didn't notice that BJJEE also took this up. Reviewed Georgette's evidence, and uncovered some unique pieces that Georgette had missed. So, I personally take that as independent verification, and that the story is now dual sourced, which puts the burden of proof on Rigan.

So, I understand:

Are you saying that Georgette and BJJ Eastern are both stating that Saucido claims Rigan promoted Saucido to Black Belt in BJJ?

Or

Are you saying that Georgette and BJJ Eastern are both claiming that Rigan promoted Saucido to Black Belt in BJJ?

[Michael Tzadok]

Screen shots from Paul Saucido's FB page. If you can give me another plausible reason that he would be posing in a BJJ black belt at Rigan's place after Rigan "cut all contacts". You can look up his FB and find these too.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Screen shots from Paul Saucido's FB page. If you can give me another plausible reason that he would be posing in a BJJ black belt at Rigan's place after Rigan "cut all contacts". You can look up his FB and find these too.

Possible plausible explanation #1: Saucido took those photos to make it appear as if Rigan promoted him to BJJ Black belt.

Ummm, where is Rigan in those photos?

Also, where is the signed black belt certificate from Rigan?

Where is the picture of Rigan tying the black belt around his waist?

Where is the excellent idea that It is Fake mentioned, a video of the black belt tying?

I can't remember the last time I awarded a BJJ black belt to somebody and they did not have a buddy snap a picture of the waist tie or take a video of me or one of my lineage black belts tying the black belt around the recipient's waist.

[Michael Tzadok]

Possible plausible explanation #1: Saucido took those photos to make it appear as if Rigan promoted him to BJJ Black belt. Ummm, where is Rigan in those photos?

Right because Rigan allowed a guy he disavowed four years ago to use his dojo for photo ops, to take pics with his students(including celebrity students) and 3 of Rigan's other black belts gladly line up with him in his black belt to take a photo together.

Next you are going to tell me that the earth is flat and man didn't land on the moon... Just pictures staged in a set somewhere.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Right because Rigan allowed a guy he disavowed four years ago to use his dojo for photo ops, to take pics with his students(including celebrity students) and 3 of Rigan's other black belts gladly line up with him in his black belt to take a photo together.

Next you are going to tell me that the earth is flat and man didn't land on the moon... Just pictures staged in a set somewhere.

Rigan's network has 30 schools worldwide.

And the Machado collective has many more than that.

I don't know what Rigan's BH academy policies on walk ins are, whether everybody knows Saucido, what Saucido said, or how they checked his right to take those pictures if Rigan was not there.

But, I will sadly accept that Rigan promoted Saucido when either Rigan says he did, or there is a signed doc to that effect, or a picture of Rigan tying a belt around Saucido's waist.

Until such proof that directly shows a promotion to BJJ black belt of Saucido of Rigan, then why would I believe that it happened?

It is Fake, despite his delivery or other flaws, was not wrong in that I always judge the truth of a claim based on direct proof and evidence, not on hearsay, or indirect evidence that kind of sort of shows something weird is happening.

Lots of people lie about being promoted to Black Belt in a variety of arts, and we see people try this in BJJ as well.

[Michael Tzadok]

Rigan's network has 30 schools worldwide.

And the Machado collective has many more than that.

I don't know what Rigan's BH academy policies on walk ins are, whether everybody knows Saucido, what Saucido said, or how they checked his right to take those pictures if Rigan was not there.

But, I will sadly accept that Rigan promoted Saucido when either Rigan says he did, or there is a signed doc to that effect, or a picture of Rigan tying a belt around Saucido's waist.

Until such proof that directly shows a promotion to BJJ black belt of Saucido of Rigan, then why would I believe that it happened?

It is Fake, despite his delivery or other flaws, was not wrong in that I always judge the truth of a claim based on direct proof and evidence, not on hearsay, or indirect evidence that kind of sort of shows something weird is happening.

Lots of people lie about being promoted to Black Belt in a variety of arts, and we see people try this in BJJ as well.

Does the "W" in WFMurphy stand for White Knight? Just curious.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Does the "W" in WFMurphy stand for White Knight? Just curious.

No, but I do have some formal training in forensic investigation.

Skepticism and strict standards regarding evidence always should apply.

I understand why Georgette is passionate about exposing Saucido as someone who has been convicted of a sex crime so that people know that before considering selecting him to be their coach or training partner, and I support that intention.

I don't know what Rigan's situation is with Saucido.

Rigan and I do not know each other personally.

I am along for the ride like everybody else, and I find the whole situation rather sad.

It's a bad day for Jiu-Jitsu or any sport when the words "rapist" and "coach" both can be used to describe the same person.

[Raycetpfl]

I'll bet you a bowl of Ramen Noodles from the good ramen restaurant that Carlos Machado clarifies that he is not affiliated with Saucido in any way,

but that Carlos Machado does not disown his brother, even if at worst he says that Rigan is his own person, and that they have their own networks (which they have had for a long time).

Yeah I mean Affiliated professionally. I don't know how they spend Christmas.

[Raycetpfl]

Does the "W" in WFMurphy stand for White Knight? Just curious.

Some Days it's William and some days it's wanker. :-p

[Dr. Gonzo]

Some Days it's William and some days it's wanker. :-p

Nobody's perfect. I am too old to act other than I am.

[ermghoti]

Rigan's network has 30 schools worldwide.

And the Machado collective has many more than that.

I don't know what Rigan's BH academy policies on walk ins are, whether everybody knows Saucido, what Saucido said, or how they checked his right to take those pictures if Rigan was not there.

But, I will sadly accept that Rigan promoted Saucido when either Rigan says he did, or there is a signed doc to that effect, or a picture of Rigan tying a belt around Saucido's waist.

Until such proof that directly shows a promotion to BJJ black belt of Saucido of Rigan, then why would I believe that it happened?

It is Fake, despite his delivery or other flaws, was not wrong in that I always judge the truth of a claim based on direct proof and evidence, not on hearsay, or indirect evidence that kind of sort of shows something weird is happening.

Lots of people lie about being promoted to Black Belt in a variety of arts, and we see people try this in BJJ as well.

Apply Occam's razor. A now very public, and very uncomplimentary story is circulating. If Rigan has nothing to do with that belt, he need only post as much to extricate himself from the story. As of yet, he has not. Even disregarding the circumstantial evidence, that should be troubling.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Apply Occam's razor. A now very public, and very uncomplimentary story is circulating. If Rigan has nothing to do with that belt, he need only post as much to extricate himself from the story. As of yet, he has not. Even disregarding the circumstantial evidence, that should be troubling.

That is a compelling argument. However, Rigan may still announce that he did not promote Saucido. It's still early yet.

[Kravbizarre]

That is a compelling argument. However, Rigan may still announce that he did not promote Saucido. It's still early yet.

I agree. But now that Bjee has done a story, jiu jitsu times will either share that one or write their own article on the matter. Both these pages tend to get a hold of a person fir interview quick.

Remember that purple belt that self promoted to brown? Within a week he was interviewed on the matter. Rigan will make a statement soon, if he is unnaware im sure alot of people around him will be so he'll find out one way or another.