Rigan Machado knowingly promotes convicted rapist to BJJ black belt

[BKR]

Whether you knew absolute victory existed or not, getting tossed into an absolute victory is being hands down manhandled by your opponent. I mean Andre Galvao break dancing on your back level of skill disparity(though that guy actually had the excuse of being a white belt intentionally trolling the iBJJF). It is really hard to believe that someone would(or could) win 2 Pan Am Sambo chanpionships, and two freestyle wrestling Pan Am championships and have that level of skill disparity, but ok if you want to give him a pass, fine.

Sure lots of controversy. The ref came from the other academy, the ref was the other guy's cousin... Dude if we can start wiping out losses because we don't like them, or counting wins over students in rolling in our 300-0 record(that's what Helio said Rickson was doing), than sure we can just erase inconvenient losses.

In the case of his loss to Ron Tripp, I think Mark Tripp (here and other places) explained that particular loss (to Ron Tripp in Sombo).

As I recall, Rickson went for a Kosoto Gari (probably on Ron's lead leg, and I call him Ron because I'm acquainted with him, but not for many years), which, as an experienced grappler, you know it not generally a good idea. Ron countered with a spectacular Uchi Mata for the "total victory".

As far as relative skill goes back then, I would have bet on Rickson winning a pure submission only rules match, and probably a IBJJF-type rules event. Ron was I believe a D-1 wrestler and I know a skilled judoka, so was a highly skilled grappler without a doubt.

[BKR]

I myself have never understood the Brazilian practice of claiming to be a Champion of a tournament where the "Champion" only had one win, or worse no win
(either silver medal for losing one match, or gold medal for showing up to an empty division).
I am not trying to disrespect Brazil nor disrespect my Brazilian colleagues, but I have never understood how people can do that.
Although I do understand that there is a marketing incentive to do so...

A man has to make a living...

[Michael Tzadok]

in Rickon's defense, BJJ players never know the God damn rules of the tournament and neither do the refs. I guess it's kind of our thing.....
So let's play along and give them a pass in sambo. They didn't know absolute victory existed. Cool. I am am scrubbing sambo from theit records.

They all knew subs existed in bjj and sub grappling. Rigan got tapped on film and beat on points in the same manner that he won. There's nothing controversial about that,is there?

Whether you knew absolute victory existed or not, getting tossed into an absolute victory is being hands down manhandled by your opponent. I mean Andre Galvao break dancing on your back level of skill disparity(though that guy actually had the excuse of being a white belt intentionally trolling the iBJJF). It is really hard to believe that someone would(or could) win 2 Pan Am Sambo chanpionships, and two freestyle wrestling Pan Am championships and have that level of skill disparity, but ok if you want to give him a pass, fine.

Sure lots of controversy. The ref came from the other academy, the ref was the other guy's cousin... Dude if we can start wiping out losses because we don't like them, or counting wins over students in rolling in our 300-0 record(that's what Helio said Rickson was doing), than sure we can just erase inconvenient losses.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I myself have never understood the Brazilian practice of claiming to be a Champion of a tournament where the "Champion" only had one win, or worse no win
(either silver medal for losing one match, or gold medal for showing up to an empty division).
I am not trying to disrespect Brazil nor disrespect my Brazilian colleagues, but I have never understood how people can do that.
Although I do understand that there is a marketing incentive to do so...

[Raycetpfl]

Haven't we gone over this already?

Rolls somehow won Pan American Freestyle Wrestling championship, though there is only one Freestyle wrestling Pan Am, and he isn't listed in their medal table.

Rickson claims to have won 2 Pan Am Freestyle Wrestling championships, 2 Pan Am Sambo championships, and to have a 300-0 record, and the 47sec loss to Ron Tripp doesn't count because, despite 2 previous Sambo championships, he didn't know the rules governing international Sambo competition.

I'm sure someone is going to come along and try to sugar coat all this record padding, but at the end of the day, in my opinion it is bullshido marketing. Being a black belt(or a coral belt or a red belt even) in a system that is proven effective just isn't enough, you have to be the undefeated destroyer of worlds as well.

in Rickon's defense, BJJ players never know the God damn rules of the tournament and neither do the refs. I guess it's kind of our thing.....
So let's play along and give them a pass in sambo. They didn't know absolute victory existed. Cool. I am am scrubbing sambo from theit records.

They all knew subs existed in bjj and sub grappling. Rigan got tapped on film and beat on points in the same manner that he won. There's nothing controversial about that,is there?

[Michael Tzadok]

Wikipedia claims he only has 2 losses. I assume they mean to Rickson ,because there is video of that. He has 8 losses on record in grappling 4 by sub ,4 by points .

There's a bunch of shenanigans going on from the back in the day tournaments. Rickson ,Rolls and Relson Gracie beat everyone but Rigan is the undisputed champ since 14?

https://www.bjjheroes.com/bjj-fighters/rigan-machado

Haven't we gone over this already?

Rolls somehow won Pan American Freestyle Wrestling championship, though there is only one Freestyle wrestling Pan Am, and he isn't listed in their medal table.

Rickson claims to have won 2 Pan Am Freestyle Wrestling championships, 2 Pan Am Sambo championships, and to have a 300-0 record, and the 47sec loss to Ron Tripp doesn't count because, despite 2 previous Sambo championships, he didn't know the rules governing international Sambo competition.

I'm sure someone is going to come along and try to sugar coat all this record padding, but at the end of the day, in my opinion it is bullshido marketing. Being a black belt(or a coral belt or a red belt even) in a system that is proven effective just isn't enough, you have to be the undefeated destroyer of worlds as well.

[Raycetpfl]

Where exactly is he saying he is undefeated?

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Wikipedia claims he only has 2 losses. I assume they mean to Rickson ,because there is video of that. He has 8 losses on record in grappling 4 by sub ,4 by points .

There's a bunch of shenanigans going on from the back in the day tournaments. Rickson ,Rolls and Relson Gracie beat everyone but Rigan is the undisputed champ since 14?

https://www.bjjheroes.com/bjj-fighters/rigan-machado

[Mandem]

This is the back story?

https://web.archive.org/web/20150509...ckyard-is.html

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[It is Fake]

I did not say do not contact Aces, I said do not harass them. There is a HUGE difference between the two actions. As we know, people get on their high horses and start accusing people of condoning rape when, they may not have known what was truly going on. Also, he did get a plea deal. The affidavit and witness accounts is a 100% rape to me, but he was not charged or convicted that way. We all know how people can compartmentalize or just take a person's word for wrongdoing. We also know how some plea deals allow predators to remain hidden in our society.

Most people do not check their states registry for Sex offenders. Hell, most of the BJJ players on this thread had no clue about this animal.

[Pship Destroyer]

Simple. Rigan left RCJ Machado to do his own thing. Some Machado people stayed with RCJ and some went with Rigan. It is how those sorts of breaks work.

RCJ Machado is not in Austin. It's all the way up in Dallas (Farmers Branch to be specific).

Nowhere near Austin. That's an hour-long trip by air.

[Michael Tzadok]

Then how would you explain Saucido getting away with teaching as the "only one to do so in Texas" (get his purple/brown/black belt from Machado) for at least 2.5 years.

Anybody with an internet connection could look up Austin BJJ and find a Machado BB in the downtown area...who was publicly ostracized by Machado in 2013.

Why was Georgette the only person who noticed, 4 years later, that Paul Saucido was doing the exact opposite of what Rigan Machado claimed in 2013?

Either nobody else in the area knows the situation, or maybe somebody does and didn't want to snitch. But clearly, if Rigan put the word out, and anybody within 50 miles of Zen Fit BJJ got it, why didn't they speak up?

Simple. Rigan left RCJ Machado to do his own thing. Some Machado people stayed with RCJ and some went with Rigan. It is how those sorts of breaks work.

[Pship Destroyer]

I have a hard time believing that a coral belt with the likes of Chuck Norris and the Dog Brothers as followers had a circle that didn't extend outside of a single city while BJJ was blowing up across the US.

Then how would you explain Saucido getting away with teaching as the "only one to do so in Texas" (get his purple/brown/black belt from Machado) for at least 2.5 years.

Anybody with an internet connection could look up Austin BJJ and find a Machado BB in the downtown area...who was publicly ostracized by Machado in 2013.

Why was Georgette the only person who noticed, 4 years later, that Paul Saucido was doing the exact opposite of what Rigan Machado claimed in 2013?

Either nobody else in the area knows the situation, or maybe somebody does and didn't want to snitch. But clearly, if Rigan put the word out, and anybody within 50 miles of Zen Fit BJJ got it, why didn't they speak up?

[Michael Tzadok]

Circa 2013, Rigan Machado's circle was Beverly Hills, CA, not Austin TX. Saucido moved from Austin to help Rigan at the FIRST Academy, then the second one in Beverly Hills. He then moved back to Austin in 2013. The assault itself occurred in 2011. So when Rigan told his circle in 2013, it's not likely that most BJJ places in Austin TX were made aware (maybe Machado-associated gyms but...aha...if there are any nearby, why did nobody notice Paul was promoting himself as a Machado BB? Someone would have told Rigan)

In fact, it's Georgette's "circle" that was the audience of her original 2013 post, with respect to the greater Austin community. She sums the whole issue up right here, but points out...other than writing in her blog, she wasn't going to raise hell...until the latest events, where she kinda went fangs out (thankfully so).



http://georgetteoden.blogspot.com/20...ckyard-is.html

I have a hard time believing that a coral belt with the likes of Chuck Norris and the Dog Brothers as followers had a circle that didn't extend outside of a single city while BJJ was blowing up across the US.

[Pship Destroyer]

Considering that Rigan denounced and distanced himself from Saucido publicly back in 2013, everyone in his circle should have known.

Circa 2013, Rigan Machado's circle was Beverly Hills, CA, not Austin TX. Saucido moved from Austin to help Rigan at the FIRST Academy, then the second one in Beverly Hills. He then moved back to Austin in 2013. The assault itself occurred in 2011. So when Rigan told his circle in 2013, it's not likely that most BJJ places in Austin TX were made aware (maybe Machado-associated gyms but...aha...if there are any nearby, why did nobody notice Paul was promoting himself as a Machado BB? Someone would have told Rigan)

In fact, it's Georgette's "circle" that was the audience of her original 2013 post, with respect to the greater Austin community. She sums the whole issue up right here, but points out...other than writing in her blog, she wasn't going to raise hell...until the latest events, where she kinda went fangs out (thankfully so).

So. My erstwhile friend, who lives in my town and teaches jiu jitsu in my town, is a rapist, in my eyes. And I can't get behind that. I can't support his academy, his seminars, etc. Sure he deserves a second chance but I don't think he should be teaching jiu jitsu to women who don't know his background.

http://georgetteoden.blogspot.com/20...ckyard-is.html

Also, don't forget the original (now deleted) Zen Fit bio.."THE ONLY ONE TO DO SO IN TEXAS". It could easily turn out that there is nobody in the Austin, TX community (aside from Georgette Oden) who "got the word". What other explanation is there for the 3 years Saucido may have been teaching as a BB?

You'd think if another Machado BB in the vicinity knew, there's be trouble.

[Michael Tzadok]

Whats up with Rigan calling himself undefeated? He's been beat in Gi,No Gi, and never fought mma.

If we are allowed to completely ignore all of our losses than I too am undefeated...... :-\

Where exactly is he saying he is undefeated?