Rigan Machado knowingly promotes convicted rapist to BJJ black belt

[Pship Destroyer]

Why assert that an instructor did or did not promote someone prior to hearing back from the instructor?

That is not evidence preserving and seems to serve no investigative purpose.

Great question. It's called a "lead", moron.

Who gives a shit what the instructor says, if there's another witness?

[Michael Tzadok]

Stop. I'm all for a lively discussion, but this damn Rigan is my hero shit needs to stop or move to another thread.

Yes, you think the guy is amazing and that's great, but cut it out in this thread. The rest of us need to stop baiting his easy to troll ass.

Created a thread in YMAS for this derail. Hopefully it moves there and stays there so we can discuss the issue at hand here.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Great question. It's called a "lead", moron.

Who gives a shit what the instructor says, if there's another witness?

Because there was no on the record witness,
whose name was published,
and who gave the direct quote that they saw Rigan promote Saucido to BJJ black belt with their own eyes.
There was no picture nor video of Rigan promoting Saucido to BJJ black belt,
There was no signed certificate from Rigan to Saucido showing promotion to BJJ black belt.
There was no organization recognition, because while you cannot get certified as a Coach (or in IBJJF parlance a certificate holding certified black belt) without a background check,
you can still get a competitor's card that documents a BJJ black belt rank without a background check from several different recognized BJJ organizations, including the IBJJF,
so long as you can document your training and competition record, and someone of the right BJJ black belt rank certifies that they sign off on your BJJ black belt rank.
Saucido had none of these things, that are all the customary required evidence that one needs to have to prove that someone really did promote you to black belt in BJJ.
And the investigation team also had none of these things before they made a statement across several different news outlets and blog sites that stated "Rigan promoted Saucido to BJJ black belt", not simply that "Saucido has claimed that Rigan promoted him to BJJ black belt".

You would have found no objection from me regarding the situation if the investigators' statement across the major blog sites was:
"Rigan Machado continued to have ties with Paul Saucido after Saucido's sexual assault conviction despite telling the Public that he would sever all ties,
Saucido claims Rigan promoted him to BJJ Black Belt, and Rigan Machado again denies this claim, and promises again to have no more ties with Saucido. Saucido can produce no proof that Rigan promoted Saucido to black belt in BJJ."
Because presenting the claims and headlines this way would have been reasonably backed up by the evidence that was published along side of the claims.

[BackFistMonkey]

And the investigation team also had none of these things before they made a statement across several different news outlets and blog sites that stated "Rigan promoted Saucido to BJJ black belt", not simply that "Saucido has claimed that Rigan promoted him to BJJ black belt".

Team? Who is this investigative team? From what I have seen it is people who give a fuck working individually to get the word out.
I am not a fan of title either but if I am a convicted sexual predator and am at your school teaching celebrities then posing wearing a black belt... as a number of photos show... and you don't correct it and have promoted me up till then ... I don't know what to tell you.

To me it sounds like a super shady attempt at playing both sides with the slimmest bit of deniability by Rigan.

You would have found no objection from me regarding the situation if the investogators' statement across the major blog sites was:
"Rigan Machado continued to have ties with Paul Saucido after Saucido's sexual assault conviction despite telling the Public that he would sever all ties,
Saucido claims Rigan promoted him to BJJ Black Belt, and Rigan Machado again denies this claim, and promises again to have no more ties with Saucido."

Because those claims and headlines were reasonably backed up by the evidence published along side of those claims.

Well there you go oh wait let me fix that for you

"Rigan Machado continued to have ties with Paul Saucido after Saucido's sexual assault conviction despite telling the Public that he would sever all ties,
Saucido claims Rigan promoted him to BJJ Black Belt, and Rigan Machado again denies this claim despite reports of him teaching at Rigan's school wearing a black belt and posing for photos wearing a black belt at the school, and promises again to have no more ties with Saucido. "

[jitschix]

Look, W, IDGAF if you approve of what I posted on my blog or not. The "investigative team" you're dissing doesn't exist. It's me and whomever else wants to lend a hand (in this case, a lot of heavy lifting was done by Iva at BJJEE and BJJScout after my post went up.)

[Michael Tzadok]

Because there was no on the record witness,
whose name was published,
and who gave the direct quote that they saw Rigan promote Saucido to BJJ black belt with their own eyes.

Right. Good thing that no investigative journalist ever wrote a report based on information passed along by one credible anonymous source...

Oh... wait... Richard Nixon was forced out of office based on an investigative journalist report based on evidence given by Deep Throat. The Washington Post ran the report and the Watergate scandal broke. The world wouldn't find out who the source was for another 30 years.

Now here is a thought. Georgette indicated that she was contacted by "students" of Rigan's who take issue with what he is doing. Unless I'm reading BJJEE wrong they also have "sources". My guess is that these students want the bad behavior to stop, but also don't want to get ejected from their club, and probably queered in any other club in the area that they would like to join, much like Mark Felt wanted to retain his job at the FBI and retain his pension.

Now the Washington Post report clearly was not the final word in the Watergate affair, nor was Nixon's guilt solidified by that alone. It simply served to get word out so that other interested parties could begin a more thorough investigation, while simultaneously raising serious questions for the Nixon administration to answer. That is what these reports(in my opinion) have done here. Rigan has some serious questions to answer, and his continued dishonesty(like claiming once again despite clear evidence to the contrary that he has had no dealings with Saucido for the last for years) makes believing any statement by him an impossibility.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Look, W, IDGAF if you approve of what I posted on my blog or not. The "investigative team" you're dissing doesn't exist. It's me and whomever else wants to lend a hand (in this case, a lot of heavy lifting was done by Iva at BJJEE and BJJScout after my post went up.)

I will say this:
If you made one asleep at the wheel parent aware that they should think twice before dropping their teen age daughter off at the sex offender's school then there is an argument that the greater good may have been served.
I don't have to like your method.
Sometimes to prevent a greater evil you have to make a judgement call, and it is my assumption that you did what you felt accomplished the greater good.
I respect the greater mission and sadly pieces of shit hang up shingles as coaches all the time and I do hate that.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Right. Good thing that no investigative journalist ever wrote a report based on information passed along by one credible anonymous source...

Oh... wait... Richard Nixon was forced out of office based on an investigative journalist report based on evidence given by Deep Throat. The Washington Post ran the report and the Watergate scandal broke. The world wouldn't find out who the source was for another 30 years.

Now here is a thought. Georgette indicated that she was contacted by "students" of Rigan's who take issue with what he is doing. Unless I'm reading BJJEE wrong they also have "sources". My guess is that these students want the bad behavior to stop, but also don't want to get ejected from their club, and probably queered in any other club in the area that they would like to join, much like Mark Felt wanted to retain his job at the FBI and retain his pension.

Now the Washington Post report clearly was not the final word in the Watergate affair, nor was Nixon's guilt solidified by that alone. It simply served to get word out so that other interested parties could begin a more thorough investigation, while simultaneously raising serious questions for the Nixon administration to answer. That is what these reports(in my opinion) have done here. Rigan has some serious questions to answer, and his continued dishonesty(like claiming once again despite clear evidence to the contrary that he has had no dealings with Saucido for the last for years) makes believing any statement by him an impossibility.

As a black belt it is my perogative to assert that it is never good enough for someone to say that I promoted someone, or that another black belt promoted somebody - the promoting black belt has to say they promoted somebody verbally and/or in writing, or there has to be a picture or video of a belt being tied, or an overwhelming on record witness account of credible witnesses.
Otherwise, every fraudulent martial artist on the planet, disgruntled with their instructor or frustrated with what it actually takes to earn a black belt will claim they got promoted.
That's my standard operating procedure and why I give every person I promote in Jiu-Jitsu a signed certificate, a picture of them getting their belt tied on, and I encourage them to fill out an IBJJF form that I sign for them to send in.

[Michael Tzadok]

As a black belt it is my perogative to assert that it is never good enough for someone to say that I promoted someone, or that another black belt promoted somebody - the promoting black belt has to say they promoted somebody verbally and/or in writing, or there has to be a picture or video of a belt being tied, or an overwhelming on record witness account of credible witnesses.
Otherwise, every fraudulent martial artist on the planet, disgruntled with their instructor or frustrated with what it actually takes to earn a black belt will claim they got promoted.
That's my standard operating procedure and why I give every person I promote in Jiu-Jitsu a signed certificate, a picture of them getting their belt tied on, and I encourage them to fill out an IBJJF form that I sign for them to send in.

And I would believe you, unless that statement was intrinsically tied to a blatant lie. You are so adamant in defending your hero you don't seem to be able to understand that his lying and saying he has had no contact with Saucido for the last four years totally demolishes any credibility that he might have had.

[Raycetpfl]

As a black belt it is my perogative to assert that it is never good enough for someone to say that I promoted someone, or that another black belt promoted somebody - the promoting black belt has to say they promoted somebody verbally and/or in writing, or there has to be a picture or video of a belt being tied, or an overwhelming on record witness account of credible witnesses.
Otherwise, every fraudulent martial artist on the planet, disgruntled with their instructor or frustrated with what it actually takes to earn a black belt will claim they got promoted.
That's my standard operating procedure and why I give every person I promote in Jiu-Jitsu a signed certificate, a picture of them getting their belt tied on, and I encourage them to fill out an IBJJF form that I sign for them to send in.

Regardless if Rigan promoted him or not he knowingly had him teach at his flagship school in 90210. That's an endorsement of his belt that and a danger to the community Rigan is a part of. If a Hospital hires a brain surgeon they can now be held liable for him. The Hospital can't be like,"We didn't give him his degree it's not our fault."
So either Rigan gave a sexual predator his black belt and had him teach at his main school or Rigan defacto- approved of his promotion by letting him teach class at his main school.
Allowing someone to teach at your school is an even greater endorsement of someone than giving them a belt.
Your semantic nonsense is ridiculous. Rigan hitched his wagon up with sniveling scum and youre worried about a certificate?

[Devil]

Regardless if Rigan promoted him or not he knowingly had him teach at his flagship school in 90210. That's an endorsement of his belt that and a danger to the community Rigan is a part of. If a Hospital hires a brain surgeon they can now be held liable for him. The Hospital can't be like,"We didn't give him his degree it's not our fault."
So either Rigan gave a sexual predator his black belt and had him teach at his main school or Rigan defacto- approved of his promotion by letting him teach class at his main school.
Allowing someone to teach at your school is an even greater endorsement of someone than giving them a belt.
Your semantic nonsense is ridiculous. Rigan hitched his wagon up with sniveling scum and youre worried about a certificate?

Good points.


"Agency - The relationship of a person (called the agent) who acts on behalf of another person, company, or government, known as the principal. ... When someone who is or is not an employee uses company business cards, finance documents, or a truck with the company logo, such use gives apparent authority as an agent."

[It is Fake]

Because there was no on the record witness,
whose name was published,
and who gave the direct quote that they saw Rigan promote Saucido to BJJ black belt with their own eyes.
There was no picture nor video of Rigan promoting Saucido to BJJ black belt,
There was no signed certificate from Rigan to Saucido showing promotion to BJJ black belt.
There was no organization recognition, because while you cannot get certified as a Coach (or in IBJJF parlance a certificate holding certified black belt) without a background check,
you can still get a competitor's card that documents a BJJ black belt rank without a background check from several different recognized BJJ organizations, including the IBJJF,
so long as you can document your training and competition record, and someone of the right BJJ black belt rank certifies that they sign off on your BJJ black belt rank.
Saucido had none of these things, that are all the customary required evidence that one needs to have to prove that someone really did promote you to black belt in BJJ.
And the investigation team also had none of these things before they made a statement across several different news outlets and blog sites that stated "Rigan promoted Saucido to BJJ black belt", not simply that "Saucido has claimed that Rigan promoted him to BJJ black belt".

You would have found no objection from me regarding the situation if the investigators' statement across the major blog sites was:
"Rigan Machado continued to have ties with Paul Saucido after Saucido's sexual assault conviction despite telling the Public that he would sever all ties,
Saucido claims Rigan promoted him to BJJ Black Belt, and Rigan Machado again denies this claim, and promises again to have no more ties with Saucido. Saucido can produce no proof that Rigan promoted Saucido to black belt in BJJ."
Because presenting the claims and headlines this way would have been reasonably backed up by the evidence that was published along side of the claims.

You know you are going in circles right? Rayce already addressed this much earlier in the thread.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Good points.


"Agency - The relationship of a person (called the agent) who acts on behalf of another person, company, or government, known as the principal. ... When someone who is or is not an employee uses company business cards, finance documents, or a truck with the company logo, such use gives apparent authority as an agent."

Did Rigan grant consent to that agency,
Or did Saucido socially engineer himself into that academy, and seize some photo opportunities for literal "self promotion" purposes,
When he knew Rigan was not there,
And preying on the weakness and disorganization of the people that were there?
I don't know-
But I do know that Saucido has a track of record of by-passing getting consent before he takes advantage of other people.

[It is Fake]

As a black belt it is my perogative to assert that it is never good enough for someone to say that I promoted someone, or that another black belt promoted somebody - the promoting black belt has to say they promoted somebody verbally and/or in writing, or there has to be a picture or video of a belt being tied, or an overwhelming on record witness account of credible witnesses.
Otherwise, every fraudulent martial artist on the planet, disgruntled with their instructor or frustrated with what it actually takes to earn a black belt will claim they got promoted.
That's my standard operating procedure and why I give every person I promote in Jiu-Jitsu a signed certificate, a picture of them getting their belt tied on, and I encourage them to fill out an IBJJF form that I sign for them to send in.

Did Rigan grant consent to that agency,
Or did Saucido socially engineer himself into that academy, and seize some photo opportunities for literal "self promotion" purposes,
When he knew Rigan was not there,
And preying on the weakness and disorganization of the people that were there?
I don't know-
But I do know that Saucido has a track of record of by-passing getting consent before he takes advantage of other people.

Ahhh, but why would this occur if I am hiding a promotion? What if the MF remained quiet for 4 almost five years and then nutted up? Right, just stop. The whole "this is what I would do," comic book "What If the Hulk Killed Wolverine" non-continuity supposition is tiresome.

In the vein of "Back in the day" whining:

I remember back in the day when posters, like myself, would go out and disprove or prove an assertion instead of whining about how wrong it was page after page and DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but crying. Yes, I did this for a couple of McDojos and questionable arts, I would tell people to run from. Why? I came here to bust my old org and learned to let people do what they enjoy. Go learn Sport Wushu and have fun, just don't lie and say it is like Sanda. Enjoy your Chun school, just don't lie and say it'll work in MMA if not for the gloves and eye gouges being illegal.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Ahhh, but why would this occur if I am hiding a promotion? What if the MF remained quiet for 4 almost five years and then nutted up? Right, just stop. The whole "this is what I would do," comic book "What If the Hulk Killed Wolverine" non-continuity supposition is tiresome.

In the vein of "Back in the day" whining:

I remember back in the day when posters, like myself, would go out and disprove or prove an assertion instead of whining about how wrong it was page after page and DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but crying. Yes, I did this for a couple of McDojos and questionable arts, I would tell people to run from. Why? I came here to bust my old org and learned to let people do what they enjoy. Go learn Sport Wushu and have fun, just don't lie and say it is like Sanda. Enjoy your Chun school, just don't lie and say it'll work in MMA if not for the gloves and eye gouges being illegal.

A hidden promotion is a strange concept.
Very ninja.