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    IBJJF Decoded

    This thread is for the purpose of laying out and consolidating the information necessary to understand the extremely labyrinthine history, structure and misadventures of the organization known as the International Brazilian Jiu-jitsu Federation, in advance of the proverbial shit hitting the fan. There is a lot going on, and a lot more will be coming to light in the coming months.

    The Villain and I have been working on this story, in conjunction with various individuals in the BJJ community for most of 2013. There have been several threads along the way detailing different parts of the investigation, and I will link them all here. There are also several threads detailing various actions of the IBJJF which The Villain has been tracking, and I will ask him to add them to this thread tomorrow.

    During Mundials last year I posted this long history of the federation on the UG http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma....2183601&page=1

    I hope that you will take the time to read all 3 parts. For those who can not, it explains how the IBJJF

    (1) is a US corporation, virtually indistinguishable from the corporation that constitutes Gracie Barra
    (2) is not the legitimate international governing body for the sport of Brailian Jiu-Jitsu
    (3) was originally founded by people heavily involved in drug trafficking, and eventually co-opted by Carlos Gracie, Jr

    On the same day, The Villain (as os3y3ris) posted this long thread detailing his experience with Carlos, jr and the attempt to extort thousands of dollars from him before he would recognize his BB promotion.

    The original post was deleted, but I have it cached. It read, in full:

    Originally posted by os3y3ris
    "Be very careful dealing with the IBJJF. You can lose thousands of dollars, your rank, or your school:
    IBJJF Corruption

    In 2010 the Carlos Gracie Jr led http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f12...ebook-2429827/

    In essence, Sam Osman, promoted by a second degree black belt to black belt, entered an ibjjf.org:

    http://extranet.ibjjfdb.com/System/F...?FederacaoId=2

    http://www.ibjjf.org/BlackBeltApplication%20_IBJJF.pdf

    http://usbjjf.org/imagens/AcademyReg...on_USBJJF_.pdfIBJJF belt with no strings attached allegedly goes for between $2,000 and $4,000. Because this deal is only available at the highest levels of the IBJJF, and the alternative paperwork is restrictive, you can easily find yourself, your students and your team banned from the Federation for refusing to pay a fee for which no goods and services are rendered, or refusal to sign your academy over. Sources also allege that members of Gracie Barra, also led by Carlos Gracie Jr. are selling ranks themselves.

    Are you banned? You might be banned from the Federation and not even know it. If your instructor is not on this list or the drop down menu, you will have trouble with the Federation at brown belt, black belt, between belts and when being awarded degrees:

    http://www.http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=104014

    That all makes so much sense. Welcome to the current state of jiujitsu. Between thuggish associations, cash based rank, hostile takeovers and high tech trickery, the world of BJJ has grown corrupt.



    Now darkness comes; you don't know if the whales are coming. - Royce Gracie


    KosherKickboxer has t3h r34l chi sao

    In De Janerio, in blackest night,
    Luta Livre flees the fight,
    Behold Maeda's sacred tights;
    Beware my power... Blue Lantern's light!

    #2
    The full thread can be found at this link
    http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma....2183671&page=1

    On page 5 I start laying out the details of the IBJJF corporation, it's owners, lack of physical address, lack of working telephone, etc. It develops over the course of the thread, in parallel with The Villain's development of the workings of the shakedown scam, and how it has been worked on numerous other browns-ready-to-promote. Its a long read as well, but definitely critical if you want to follow this story as it unfolds.

    At this point you should be getting the picture that the IBJJF and Gracie Barra are intertwined financially to the point that it becomes difficult to tell where one ends and the other begins. In the midst of all this the bomb was dropped that GB is the subject of a class action lawsuit from its affiliates involving damages in the tens of millions of dollars.

    The third and final piece of all this involves the various BJJ rape scandals that rocked the community this year. The reprehensible actions of members of Team Lloyd Irvin, along with the knowledge that similar scandals are waiting to break in several other large teams, has lead numerous parties to quietly begin calling for the IBJJF to get in line with the 3 big US Judo NGB's, and begin background checking all their coaches and advanced athletes. Sources inside the BJJ community have indicated that the resistance to this completely common sense, and absolutely necessary measure is that too many well placed persons within the IBJJF and Gracie Barra organizations are in this country illegally, and would be exposed if subjected to background checks.

    As the court cases, and public statements from BJJ instructors start coming to light, this is the context you will need to understand, and perhaps contribute to the investigations that follow.
    Last edited by Matt Phillips; 12/08/2013 11:29pm, .
    Now darkness comes; you don't know if the whales are coming. - Royce Gracie


    KosherKickboxer has t3h r34l chi sao

    In De Janerio, in blackest night,
    Luta Livre flees the fight,
    Behold Maeda's sacred tights;
    Beware my power... Blue Lantern's light!

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      #3
      After reading some of the Villian's info, I knew it was going to be worse.

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        #4
        Sources inside the BJJ community have indicated that the resistance to this completely common sense, and absolutely necessary measure is that too many well placed persons within the IBJJF and Gracie Barra organizations are in this country illegally, and would be exposed if subjected to background checks.
        This alone speaks volumes Matt.

        Wondering if RICO applies in any way, given the history of extortion exhibited by the GB group?

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          #5
          Matt, maybe I just need more coffee, but the thread you have linked in post 1 only seems to have 2 parts, and doesn't say anything about drug trafficking.

          Also I think this thread would be made a lot stronger by making the executive summery a little more detailed. Eg, one extra line to say why is the IBJJF being a for profit a Bad Thing. Also maybe mention that they have no official policy for promotions (which I think you said in the linked thread.)

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            #6
            Originally posted by CrackFox View Post
            Matt, maybe I just need more coffee, but the thread you have linked in post 1 only seems to have 2 parts, and doesn't say anything about drug trafficking.

            Also I think this thread would be made a lot stronger by making the executive summery a little more detailed. Eg, one extra line to say why is the IBJJF being a for profit a Bad Thing. Also maybe mention that they have no official policy for promotions (which I think you said in the linked thread.)

            Sent from my phone using Bullshido - No BS MMA mobile app
            I should have said 3 posts comprising part 1 and part 2.

            The IBJJF was originally owned by the Silveira bros. (see: http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Con...afficking-1055)

            I am reprinting two of my posts from the os3y3ris thread here which summarize the issues involved with the IBJJF being a for-profit venture:

            ===

            Here are a few of the things that caused me to raise an eyebrow when I first looked at this organization:

            *They give the impression of being a Brazilian organization, sharing the same government endorsement as the CBJJ, when in fact they are a US for-profit corporation that happens to be owned by the CBJJ president.

            *They give the impression of being the World Governing Body for the sport of Jiu-Jitsu that sits over the National Governing Body of Brazil (CBJJ), when in fact they are a private venture that does not conform to the standards for WBGs governing other international amateur sports (IJF, FIAS, FILA, etc).

            *The IBJJF and USBJJF are private corporations owned by the people running one of the sports dominant teams. FIFA, for example, is not owned by the captain of Manchester United (or anyone at all for that matter), and holy hell would break out if such a thing were to happen.

            *Dispite cultivating an appearence of being the National Governing Body for the US, the USBJJF is privately owned and run by Gracie Barra's Andre Fernandes, and is not comparable to the NGBs for other US grappling sports, or Brazil's CBJJ in any meaningful way. There is, for example, no US national team, or motive for having one.

            *Both the IBJJF and the USBJJF collect very substantial amounts of money from just the two big touraments alone, but show no evidence of a program of reinvestment in the growth or practice of the sport, as is uniformly the norm for sport world and national governing bodies.

            **The public record indicates that the USBJJF has no board of directors, no officers, no physical address, no by-laws, no charter, and no telephone.

            **The public record indicates that the IBJJF has no board of directors, no officers, no physical address, no by-laws, no charter, and no telephone.

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            For the record, these are the world's recognized international amateur combat sports, and their associated World Governing Bodies. I encourage you to have a look at them, their activities, and the standards they are held to by GAISF/SportAccord before granting Full Membership (. You will never see BJJ accepted at the Commonwealth Games, World Games, World University Games, or any other high profile international, multi-sport event (including the Olympic Games) until the sport is run for the benefit of Humanity, and not the personal interest of Gracie Barra and it's leadership.
            ===

            In short, the very first requirement asked of a new sport offered up for membership in the WGB for all amateur sports is that the governing body of the sport be a not-for-profit organization.

            http://www.sportaccord.com/multimedi...tionnaire.docx
            Last edited by Matt Phillips; 12/09/2013 8:33am, .
            Now darkness comes; you don't know if the whales are coming. - Royce Gracie


            KosherKickboxer has t3h r34l chi sao

            In De Janerio, in blackest night,
            Luta Livre flees the fight,
            Behold Maeda's sacred tights;
            Beware my power... Blue Lantern's light!

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              #7
              This thread (http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma....2187791&page=1 ) gets into the nitty gritty of the IBJJF's lack of physical address, etc.
              Now darkness comes; you don't know if the whales are coming. - Royce Gracie


              KosherKickboxer has t3h r34l chi sao

              In De Janerio, in blackest night,
              Luta Livre flees the fight,
              Behold Maeda's sacred tights;
              Beware my power... Blue Lantern's light!

              Comment


                #8
                Since we last addressed this issue, more info has come to light regarding the issue of BJJ corruption. Two major issues have been exposed:

                First, the financial motives of the IBJJF in their ranking scheme has been confirmed ABOVE the black belt level, with a red and black speaking on record about this matter. That letter will be posted in full at the end of this post.

                Second, financial improprieties including tax evasion have been brought to light as well by the same source. With immigration being used for tax evasion, that brings up another issue, that of the flow of people.

                Our investigation has turned up witnesses that acknowledge writing immigration letters based on the same ranks that are now up for sale. Even more disturbing, is the apparent coercion of individuals in possession of ranks linked to visas to participate in the financial schemes of the IBJJF upon penalty of losing said rank/visa.


                The initial MABS report can be found at this link: http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=121552

                The following confirms much of what was stated and more:

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                  #9
                  I just want to highlight one part of Professor Santos' letter that will have increased importance in the future:

                  Some instructors are ruining the reputation of the art, by viewing the student only as a fountain of money. They come to the United States to teach. After recruiting students and taking their money they proceed to move back and forth between Brazil and United States, ongoing, without respecting their obligations as a business owner or even paying taxes, and in some cases they even abandon their students.
                  Now darkness comes; you don't know if the whales are coming. - Royce Gracie


                  KosherKickboxer has t3h r34l chi sao

                  In De Janerio, in blackest night,
                  Luta Livre flees the fight,
                  Behold Maeda's sacred tights;
                  Beware my power... Blue Lantern's light!

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                    #10
                    One of the threads I intended to link here has been deleted. It can be viewed via Google cache at http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

                    The original post reads
                    Originally posted by mpdarch
                    Beware of Credit Card Fraud from IBJJF online registration

                    « on: May 26, 2011, 09:06:35 PM »
                    It appears that when I registered for Worlds online, someone charged over $800 to my account from California ATM's near LA and Long Beach.

                    Check your account charges and balances. And if IBJJF is responsible for not properly securing there registration, they should suffer by losing money from their online registrars, which might cause their demise.
                    There is a related thread at http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f12...-ibjjf-788339/

                    Examination of bank statements reflecting transactions with the IBJJF and USBJJF show the following information: US Jiu-jitsu Federation, (949) 678-1289. This number originally showed as disconnected and has now been reassigned to an unrelated party.



                    Last edited by Matt Phillips; 12/09/2013 3:35pm, .
                    Now darkness comes; you don't know if the whales are coming. - Royce Gracie


                    KosherKickboxer has t3h r34l chi sao

                    In De Janerio, in blackest night,
                    Luta Livre flees the fight,
                    Behold Maeda's sacred tights;
                    Beware my power... Blue Lantern's light!

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                      #11
                      I recommend people take a hard look at the specific firms and individuals who are making a living off the BJJ immigration angle.

                      http://www.njimmigrationattorney.com...ATHLETES.shtml

                      http://www.entertainmentvisa.com/Ent...itsu-Visa.aspx

                      Ceritfied black belt rank in BJJ can be used as evidence of "extrordinary qualification" in an O-visa application, and IBJJF certified black belt rank can be bought.
                      Last edited by Matt Phillips; 12/09/2013 5:50pm, .
                      Now darkness comes; you don't know if the whales are coming. - Royce Gracie


                      KosherKickboxer has t3h r34l chi sao

                      In De Janerio, in blackest night,
                      Luta Livre flees the fight,
                      Behold Maeda's sacred tights;
                      Beware my power... Blue Lantern's light!

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                        #12
                        Food for thought: You are an affluent brown belt practicing BJJ in Brazil; you want to come to the united states but you can't get a work visa. You are offered promotion to black and a job teaching for a Barra affiliate in the US, for a fee. Now assuming you pay up, and everything works out splendidly for you, what do you think your employer (Barra) might be able to coerce you into doing, saying, not doing, not saying or just plain going along with? Remember, the association you work for and the federation that certifies your rank are owned by the same group of people. And if you lose your belt you will lose your visa,and be deported.
                        Now darkness comes; you don't know if the whales are coming. - Royce Gracie


                        KosherKickboxer has t3h r34l chi sao

                        In De Janerio, in blackest night,
                        Luta Livre flees the fight,
                        Behold Maeda's sacred tights;
                        Beware my power... Blue Lantern's light!

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by hungryjoe View Post
                          This alone speaks volumes Matt.

                          Wondering if RICO applies in any way, given the history of extortion exhibited by the GB group?
                          I can be much simpler and less dramatic than people with criminal records, Hungry Joe. For example, there are LOADS of martial arts instructors that come to the USA and Canada on tourist visas (which stipulate that you are NOT ALLOWED to work while in the country) and make loads of undeclared cash teaching, running seminars and workshops, grading, etc.

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                            #14
                            @Matt:

                            Not everyone has the time to go through all the links. (I'm not implying we're all lazy; some of us genuinely don't have the time.) That being the case, could you summarize how all of this affects the average BJJ player?

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                              #15
                              Without reading too closely, you could see instructions with inflated rank, whole schools losing their lineage if their instructor refuses to play ball, and the previously documented fact that good grapplers are getting shut out of tournaments.

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