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    my grappling sucks

    i was in mount and couldnt even get a submision ... got rolled over twice and nearly got triangled ....

    fuck ...


    i think that i need a more active ground game ... not just the usual get on top and pound ...
    totoro-san ... world sushi munching champion ...


    #2
    What martial arts style do you do ?
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      #3
      How long have you been training, what style, and how much experience did the guy you were rolling with have, all very important factors.

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        #4
        Mount isn't always a sure position, it's great if your punching, but some people are not very good at keeping it and using submission from there, it takes alot of practice. I personally only like mount for vale tudo, and use it more as a transitionary position in submission grappling.

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          #5
          style: pankration
          training: not long enough
          other guy: more than me

          that's no excuse though ... because i KNOW what i should have done ... just didn't think of it at the time ...
          totoro-san ... world sushi munching champion ...

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            #6
            Don't be to hard on yourself, grappling is all feeling and programming, it kind of has to become more reflexive than be thought through, though at first you will be thinking through everything, but after awhile it will be just something you do without thinking about it. Don't be to hard on yourself, I know that is easier said than done, just remember even the best have had this problem in the beginning, and as you get better different problems will pop up, its just the nature of the game.

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              #7
              And remember just because you get mount doesn't automatically give people a sub, I sometimes let people get mount on me just so I can work my sweeps and get a dominant position.

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                #8
                Side control has more submissions. But yes you're right, I mis spoke you suck at grappling like most others do with little experiance. Now quit your obvious observations and get back on the mat.

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                  #9
                  thanks for the advice ...

                  here's a question ... when you are in mount or side control ... and he has his arms tight against his chest to prevent submissions .... how do you break them apart ....

                  normally i'd just start pounding in a case like that ... but this was submission only ...
                  totoro-san ... world sushi munching champion ...

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by nasty_totoro
                    thanks for the advice ...

                    here's a question ... when you are in mount or side control ... and he has his arms tight against his chest to prevent submissions .... how do you break them apart ....

                    normally i'd just start pounding in a case like that ... but this was submission only ...
                    Rotate to north south and then continue the rotation to the other side, this force the arms away from the body.

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                      #11
                      I could probably count on one hand the number of submissions I got from mount during my first 9 months of training.
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                        #12
                        I like to cup the head, move my body off to the side and drive my chest sideways against his so it seperates his arms.

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                          #13
                          Yeah, what omega said, just make sure to get him up on one side or the other, i.e. one shoulder down or the other, figure 4 the arm and you have a multitude of options, i.e. armbars, can get rear mount, or kimura (kamura?), anyways you've got tons of cool options from this position.
                          Last edited by stoogejitsu; 3/16/2004 11:35pm, .

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                            #14
                            Or post out armbar, there is many different names for that generic "shoulder" crank.

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                              #15
                              the other attacks you can do are what I call baited ankle locks. A vein attempt at an ankle lock to force positions is a percarious but great strategy. Especially if you lock a few in and get the rep that you know what you're doing.

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