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    #91
    Originally posted by KageReaper
    The Wing Chun love affair..obvious..It produces good pussies
    :D
    jeet kune do is based on wing chun man

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      #92
      Originally posted by KageReaper
      The Wing Chun love affair..obvious..It produces good pussies
      :D
      Walk into my school and say that...

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        #93
        GOOD PUSSIES..as in good PUSSY..geez, u ppl are so sensitive and couldn't see the joke even if it's not all that good lol. OH, and Kultra..Jun Fan Gung FU has a wing chun base..JKD is a philosophy, not a style and is based on getting what works for you..not a set style(wing chun)..get it right

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          #94
          Originally posted by Darting Fingers
          Walk into my school and say that...
          show me a cute girl and I will:)

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            #95
            Excuses, excuses...

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              #96
              Thanks everybody I appreciate the responses, yet still I have my opinion that too much of what wc teaches is still based on theory, as opposed to actually getting out there and doing it. I respect pad work and sparring, but I bet most of that resembles boxing/kickboxing. As for your ideas about the leg breaking techniques, arm breaking techniques etc., "could" work, they most likely won't on a resisting opponent with any common sense, even in the street as you people somehow think will "completely" change the dynamics of a fight, yes weapons can come into play, and yes "dirty" tricks are allowed, but if I have better position on you, or far superior striking ability I can pull off the dirty tricks with much greater effectiveness than the wc guy who I'm mounted on top of turning his face into pudding. I'm not saying there are not good wc fighters, it's just all of them I've seen seem to train more like boxers/kickboxers than like wc guys.

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                #97
                Originally posted by stoogejitsu
                even in the street as you people somehow think will "completely" change the dynamics of a fight, yes weapons can come into play, and yes "dirty" tricks are allowed, but if I have better position on you, or far superior striking ability I can pull off the dirty tricks with much greater effectiveness than the wc guy who I'm mounted on top of turning his face into pudding.
                With all due respect, Stoogejitsu, if weapons are involved, then anyone's chances of surviving that fight are almost nill, no matter what style they train. That is, of course, if the person employing the weapons ain't you :D

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                  #98
                  Sorry Jolly Roger when I was writing that I actually jumped thoughts, that is exactly what I had meant to say, if somebody has a weapon and I can't get away mine, or anybodys chances of not getting at least a little hurt are almost none, pretty much just try not to die.

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                    #99
                    Mmm scary isen't it.

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                      Yup, unless I can somehow get super powers from gamma rays, which actually would most likely kill me or at the least give me lymphoma, I don't want to face anybody with a weapon, unless maybe I had a better weapon, i.e. pool cue vs. alligator, etc.

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                        Originally posted by stoogejitsu
                        Thanks everybody I appreciate the responses, yet still I have my opinion that too much of what wc teaches is still based on theory, as opposed to actually getting out there and doing it.
                        Have you "Gotten out there and done it" with a WC/WT school thats not a McDojo ? (in other words hits the Bag(s) , does Sparring , etc.)

                        If not then your opinion is not an Opinion , ITS a theory .

                        I respect pad work and sparring, but I bet most of that resembles boxing/kickboxing.
                        What , you mean like in the fact that ppl get Punched and Kicked and thrown down during it . Yeah , it probably does . Or does Kickboxing resemble it ? Someone put up vids of WC newbies Sparring the other day , and it looked JUST LIKE any other WC newbie sparring that I had ever seen , but just because the kids used a LOT of Clinchwork everyone said "Its Muay Thai !!" Because NO ONE BUT THE THAI COULD EVER EVER EVER THROW AN ELBOW OR A KNEE !!! HAH ! I said 1/2 a year ago that WC used as many Knees/Elbows as Muay Thai , and got laughed at because ppl decide what they want to before seeing anything for themselves .

                        Reminder :
                        http://www.meihua.ee/video/wt_udar.wmv
                        http://www.meihua.ee/video/clip01.wmv


                        Now, I can see the differences , even in newbies , of how theyre attacking the situation , and what weapons they are using . But seriously , if you have ever read even ONE THING about WC/WT you would know that its an Infighting system . Is that even POSSIBLE without a decent Knee/Elbow game ?


                        It seems to ME that you had a certain silly Idea in your head , that somehow "Kong FEEEWWW" looked different than it actually does , and now youre getting UPSET at it for not living up to your silly expectations ! People that DO wing Chun have been saying "It Aint Pretty" for as long as Ive seen MA discourse on the internet . Do you believe them yet ? IT seems like if a WC/WT practitioner does ANYTHING but Chainpunch and stand PERFECTLY STILL that they "Arent Doing WC" . Theres more in the system than that . Sorry to Break it to you .



                        As for your ideas about the leg breaking techniques, arm breaking techniques etc., "could" work, they most likely won't on a resisting opponent with any common sense, even in the street as you people somehow think will "completely" change the dynamics of a fight,
                        If being in a competitive environ DOSENT change everything about a fight for you then youre a Psychopath that shouldnt be allowed to compete . ITs not like you look at Muay Thai matches , and theyre really in there trying to Cripple each other . They arent in there aiming at the Throat , or clavicles , or trying to split the Kneecap , or crush the Ankles of their Opponents . The same as in Sport JJ/Judo matches you dont see people going for the immediate jointbreak or holding a choke until the opponent is dead . In the stead there is a search for Control of a kind that you usu dont even need to break an elbow (or whatever) joint , it takes a different mindset/Setup to work for a submission .

                        If you nad never seen a Kimura work on someone that was resisting and just had it explained to you then you would probably say the same thing about it .

                        yes weapons can come into play, and yes "dirty" tricks are allowed, but if I have better position on you, or far superior striking ability I can pull off the dirty tricks with much greater effectiveness than the wc guy who I'm mounted on top of turning his face into pudding. I'm not saying there are not good wc fighters, it's just all of them I've seen seem to train more like boxers/kickboxers than like wc guys.
                        IF you have better Position , and IF you have better striking ability . Wich you probably wont , given your penchant for underestimation of an opponent . Your above statement basically says "If Im in every way better than my opponent I will beat him ." Well , yes , this is usually the case .

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                          No my opinion comes from beating up on wing chun guys from many different schools, I've been to many with friends etc, been challenged by many, and have always been able to handle them without really even hurting them, maybe only there egos a little bit. I know it certainly doesn't make me an expert in the field, by no means have I ever underestimated an opponent, in most cases I overestimate all of my opponents and before competition millions of horrible things and slip ups I can do go through my mind, the what ifs. Yet with every wc I have ever faced most have been no better than most tkd stylists I have met, though there are always the tough guys I mentioned earlier, but for the people who are not the "natural" tough guys, and who truly want to learn how to "fight," in my opinion wc is not the answer. My statement about positioning and striking ability was actually ment to contrast strategies, techniques, and basically training. It's what makes one the better fighter to gain the better position, and from the documented evidence, I'm not talking about myths and legends, hearsay and conjecture, in actual documented fights wc has not been up to the task statistically, just plain logic tells you that these guys must be doing something wrong. I've been training for many years, and have seen alot of different styles and fighters, I'm not some punk kid who has taken a bjj class and bought a t-shirt, or seen a single pride or ufc and think I know everything about fighting, I don't, I'm just a fighter, who does have much more experience than many, I've put it on the line, maybe you have too,so all I have to say is that when I look at the facts wing chun seems to be a little lite on the victory side, and real heavy on the theoretical side.

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                            Man it really really burns my biscuts !!
                            It makes me so cross its not funny.

                            We go through all this strenuous ttraining ,fighting and fighting untill we can fight no more. Yet when someone holds a knife against our knecks and says "Hand over your money or you die" we have no chioce but to comply. I mean you can try and fight. But if the other person has a wepon like a knife and you don't then all it takes is one stab or slass and your butchered,possibly dead.

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                              yeah it is really sad, I had a rowdy friend who was a decent kickboxer/boxer got into a fight with some punk and was winningl, when the guy realized he was getting his ass kicked he stabbed my friend in the side a few times, my friend barely made it, this experience opened my eyes to alot of things. for instance I have completely lost any aggressiveness I used to have when I was younger about getting in fights on the street, the only time I will engage in physical confrontation on the "street" is as a last resort, or if I'm at work, which can get intense. (by the way I work a crappy security job when I'm not training or studying.)
                              Last edited by stoogejitsu; 3/17/2004 3:39am, .

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                                Wow , ppl just walk around CHALLENGING you , eh Bruce ?

                                Im sorry , but your story sounds like TEXTBOOK bullshido . You have "Beaten Up" "All these Guys" from "All These Schools" that seem to NEED to "Challenge You" and you didnt even hurt them ? Wow , change your style to "Shaolin" and the WC guys to BJJers , and Id SWEAR THAT THAT EXACT SAME STORY WAS ALREADY DONE HERE . Do you have a Tattoo that says "Ice COld Killah" perhaps ? Or am I getting them all confused ?

                                It MIGHT have been believable it if you could name the school in question , if you had just stuck to one school , or even a chain of McDojos . Or if you even came from Central/Northern CA , a place known for WC/WT schools . But NM isnt exactly a mecca for the system ! I mean , a quick look over to :

                                http://www.wingchun.org/txt/schools/usa/nm.html

                                only reveals THREE schools in the STATE . And they dont have AN kind of Quality Control over there , theyll list ANY old McDojo .

                                Besides , any shool that dosent train with sparring is NOT going to be producing a bunch of ppl that think they can beat up ppl and are going to be freely laying down challenges .


                                but lets give you 100% bennie of the doubt ...


                                Are These ppl that youre "Fighting" as Muscular or Physically Fit as you ?

                                Are they training for Competition , or to Teach others , or just for a little "Self Defence"

                                In other words , is the only consideration here skill , or are we talking about the skilled athlete versus the skilled non-athlete here ?

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