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    To Wing Chun or Not to Wing Chun is the question

    I have been learning Wing Chun for a year and a half and have recently started Muay Thai. My intention was to continue with both arts, but I have some serious doubts about the efficacy of WC and this comes out when I spar in WC classes because my style automatically reverts to more of MT.

    This may be because of my lack of understanding and I would like to hear from other WC practitioners (especially those with experience in other martial arts).

    My main concerns are as follows:
    1. Boxing/MT punches are much more powerful and have more refined defenses (chin down, shoulder protecting the vulnerable part of the head, etc)

    2. Is Chi Sao sensitivity useful against people who do not do chi sao themselves?

    3. I find the passive defense of MT more practical than the active blocking of WC especially against skilled opponents.

    For those of you who argue that I should learn a grappling art, I concur and hope to add that to my skill set in the future

    #2
    Look no further noob!

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...threadid=10368

    I personally love wing chun, and I think it works very well with MT. Then again, maybe (a) your WC sifu is not good, (b) you are a bad wing chuner, or (c) wing chun is simply not your cup of tea, and you adapt more easily (for any number of reasons) to MT.

    If your situation fits into (c), above, you should indeed leave wing chun and concentrate on MT.

    If I am not mistaken, Prone also does wing chun, and he also regularly spars with MT guys.
    That civilisation may not sink,
    Its great battle lost,
    Quiet the dog, tether the pony
    To a distant post;
    Our master Caesar is in the tent
    Where the maps are spread,
    His eyes fixed upon nothing,
    A hand under his head.


    - W.B. Yeats

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      #3
      What are your goals?

      If you want to be a better fighter, do MT.

      If you want to do pretty forms and chi sau, do WC.

      Pretty simple, really.
      You say what about my rice?

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        #4
        Originally posted by HAPKO3
        What are your goals?

        If you want to be a better fighter, do MT.

        If you want to do pretty forms and chi sau, do WC.

        Pretty simple, really.
        That civilisation may not sink,
        Its great battle lost,
        Quiet the dog, tether the pony
        To a distant post;
        Our master Caesar is in the tent
        Where the maps are spread,
        His eyes fixed upon nothing,
        A hand under his head.


        - W.B. Yeats

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          #5
          I did read and comment on your thread.

          It is clear, and backed up by all sorts of empirecal evidence, that MT training produces better fighters than WC training does.

          Period.

          Nothing to argue.

          Thus, if your goal is fighting efficiency, then MT is clearly a superior choice.

          If your goals are different, then it's a different question.

          You're not stupid. Why are you arguing?

          EDIT: No, I didn't comment on that one. You've started a bunch of WC/MT threads lately...
          Last edited by HAPKO3; 3/10/2004 1:09pm, .
          You say what about my rice?

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            #6
            That civilisation may not sink,
            Its great battle lost,
            Quiet the dog, tether the pony
            To a distant post;
            Our master Caesar is in the tent
            Where the maps are spread,
            His eyes fixed upon nothing,
            A hand under his head.


            - W.B. Yeats

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              #7
              I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I can understand where you're coming from. 'Guess I'd be defensive too if I were in your shoes.

              I'm not bashing WC either.

              I'm just saying that if this guy wants to be the best fighter he can be, he shouldn't be doing it.

              WC can be great, fullfilling, whatever. And I'm sure there's good WC places that will teach you how to fight. They just won't teach you how to fight as well as training and competing in MT will. That's all.
              You say what about my rice?

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                #8
                Originally posted by HAPKO3
                WC can be great, fullfilling, whatever. And I'm sure there's good WC places that will teach you how to fight. They just won't teach you how to fight as well as training and competing in MT will. That's all.
                That civilisation may not sink,
                Its great battle lost,
                Quiet the dog, tether the pony
                To a distant post;
                Our master Caesar is in the tent
                Where the maps are spread,
                His eyes fixed upon nothing,
                A hand under his head.


                - W.B. Yeats

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                  #9
                  To wing_muay's 3 points After a year and a half you see to have learned nothing. Point by point:

                  Point 1. Here you state that there punches are more powerfull which is true but they leve them selfs more open when generating an all out punch.

                  Point 2. Yes absolutly Chi sau is perfect for those who don't know/understand it. Try it with a friend some time ask him to try to get to your face you should be able to stick and move him where you want. Just remember the 3 principals of Dan Chi-sau provided you were taught them.

                  Point 3. quote "active blocking of WC " there are no blocks in WC/T every thing is a failed puch From Tan sau to bong sau they should all have started as a punch.

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                    #10
                    bullshit on the first 2 points.
                    You say what about my rice?

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                      #11
                      Back it up

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                        #12
                        Gladly. Come to San Diego in a couple of months.
                        You say what about my rice?

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                          #13
                          Yeah ok Just explain your self

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                            #14
                            Seriously, there's not much to explain. You list savate as one of your styles. You should know this.

                            The WC guard leaves the chin untucked = asking for trounble. When boxers/kickboxers throw punches, they use them to provide partial coverage for their face, WCers don't. This is all pretty basic stuff, really.
                            You say what about my rice?

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                              #15
                              Re: To Wing Chun or Not to Wing Chun is the question

                              Originally posted by wing_muay
                              I have been learning Wing Chun for a year and a half and have recently started Muay Thai. My intention was to continue with both arts, but I have some serious doubts about the efficacy of WC and this comes out when I spar in WC classes because my style automatically reverts to more of MT.

                              This may be because of my lack of understanding and I would like to hear from other WC practitioners (especially those with experience in other martial arts).

                              My main concerns are as follows:
                              1. Boxing/MT punches are much more powerful and have more refined defenses (chin down, shoulder protecting the vulnerable part of the head, etc)

                              2. Is Chi Sao sensitivity useful against people who do not do chi sao themselves?

                              3. I find the passive defense of MT more practical than the active blocking of WC especially against skilled opponents.

                              For those of you who argue that I should learn a grappling art, I concur and hope to add that to my skill set in the future
                              1. Both have power the approaches are just different
                              2. Yes
                              3. There are no blocks in WC

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