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    #46
    what if rickson gracie knows xin yi ------ then you're fucked



    the guy is using one precept, that some of the best ring fighters are specialists to justify not knowing anything about a whole section of combat. Does this guy not know that Cro Cop has a bjj blackbelt!


    Let us take judo as an example- all the world class judo players have one or two throws at which they specalise, but they can still perform alll the other throws exceptionally well, and they certainly know how to block other throws or moves or how to defend on the ground to avoid newaza


    or for another example --- Roman gladiators, they trained in all the different weapons combinations, precisely because it allows you to deal more effectively with your opponent

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      #47
      Originally posted by Matt W.
      It seems he's saying that the reason BJJers do so well is because their specialized, and in order for XYQers to be able to defend against that, they need to also specialize... in thier XYQ. Of course, that is also wrong
      That civilisation may not sink,
      Its great battle lost,
      Quiet the dog, tether the pony
      To a distant post;
      Our master Caesar is in the tent
      Where the maps are spread,
      His eyes fixed upon nothing,
      A hand under his head.


      - W.B. Yeats

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        #48
        Originally posted by WingChun Lawyer
        I don't agree with you on this one... If you'll take notice to my Phases of Combat Theory thread, you'll understand this; in a fight, the easiest path to victory is to beat someone in a phase they are unfamiliar with, be it grappling, clinching... whatever. And if you are well rounded in all phases, then you have a better chance of being able to take say... a specialist in one phase to one he is not so good in. If you both spend the same amount of time traiing, in theory you should be more skilled than a specialist in at least one range if you are very well rounded.
        "Prison is for rapists, thieves and murderers. If you lock someone up for smoking a plant that makes them happy, you're the fucking criminal." - Joe Rogan

        El Guapo says dance!

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          #49
          Originally posted by chaosexmachina
          If you both spend the same amount of time traiing, in theory you should be more skilled than a specialist in at least one range if you are very well rounded.
          That civilisation may not sink,
          Its great battle lost,
          Quiet the dog, tether the pony
          To a distant post;
          Our master Caesar is in the tent
          Where the maps are spread,
          His eyes fixed upon nothing,
          A hand under his head.


          - W.B. Yeats

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            #50
            Originally posted by Osiris
            LMAO. Xing Yi will let you beat Rickson?
            Of course it will! You don't need to know anything about grappling to beat him, just XingYi!! Well, I changed my mind, maybe just a little...
            "Prison is for rapists, thieves and murderers. If you lock someone up for smoking a plant that makes them happy, you're the fucking criminal." - Joe Rogan

            El Guapo says dance!

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              #51
              Just to summarise, this article is very typical.

              It's been a trend lately among both TMAs and RBSD people to write this sort of crap.

              See, if they go all out and say grappling doesn't work, they'll have grapplers knocking on their doors in no time.

              This is why they have to dedicate a small portion of their articles to suck off grapplers, BJJers, MMAers, whatever, pacify them, and then go on talking out of their ass. They all do this. If you look at articles by Richard Dimitri, KCD, this guy, whatever, they will all more or less come down to: BJJ and Grappling are badass, but what we offer is for real people (tm) will work on the street (tm) and is easy to learn.
              You say what about my rice?

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                #52
                Originally posted by HAPKO3
                If you look at articles by Richard Dimitri, KCD, this guy, whatever, they will all more or less come down to: BJJ and Grappling are badass, but what we offer is for real people (tm) will work on the street (tm) and is easy to learn.
                That civilisation may not sink,
                Its great battle lost,
                Quiet the dog, tether the pony
                To a distant post;
                Our master Caesar is in the tent
                Where the maps are spread,
                His eyes fixed upon nothing,
                A hand under his head.


                - W.B. Yeats

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                  #53
                  Yes there was. Not "teh street" but self defence, which is more or less equivalent in these people's lingo.

                  Face it, WCL, this guy is full of it.

                  He may be a nice guy. You can sympathise with him all you want. But he does not know what the hell he's talking about, and he's rehashing the same old betaen to death fallacies that we're so sick of.
                  You say what about my rice?

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                    #54
                    He also was making clear passive-aggresive attacks.

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by HAPKO3
                      He may be a nice guy. You can sympathise with him all you want. But he does not know what the hell he's talking about, and he's rehashing the same old betaen to death fallacies that we're so sick of.
                      He says many things I disagree with, and I never objected to you guys (or myself, even) criticizing him. I just think that, since the guy is actually a serious practitoner who believes in his art, we could extend him the courtesy of criticizing his work in an intelligent way (same as I did to the senshido guys).

                      That said, I do think he says some good things regarding the benefits of specialization, and I agree with him in that regard. You, of course, are free to disagree.
                      That civilisation may not sink,
                      Its great battle lost,
                      Quiet the dog, tether the pony
                      To a distant post;
                      Our master Caesar is in the tent
                      Where the maps are spread,
                      His eyes fixed upon nothing,
                      A hand under his head.


                      - W.B. Yeats

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                        #56
                        WCL - the reason we're boing harsh is because frankly we're sick and tired of hearing the same bullshit over and over and over and over again. He doesn't say anything even remotely new or original. His article consists of all the same crap we've been refuting since God know how long ago.

                        It's boring.

                        Plus, I can't stand this sort of passive agressive, never say anything offensive but imply it crap. It gets old very quickly. And if (editorial) you're gonna talk shit, at least do it like a man.
                        You say what about my rice?

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                          #57
                          Gentlemen, flame his article much as you wish. Just do it in an intelligent manner, and I am cool with it.
                          That civilisation may not sink,
                          Its great battle lost,
                          Quiet the dog, tether the pony
                          To a distant post;
                          Our master Caesar is in the tent
                          Where the maps are spread,
                          His eyes fixed upon nothing,
                          A hand under his head.


                          - W.B. Yeats

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                            #58
                            No.

                            Discussing this article in an intelligent manner is a waste of our time. It's all been said before. Many times. There's nothing new here.
                            You say what about my rice?

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                              #59
                              Something new has been said, or at least, a new trend has been remarked on...

                              It's been a trend lately among both TMAs and RBSD people to write this sort of crap. See, if they go all out and say grappling doesn't work, they'll have grapplers knocking on their doors in no time. This is why they have to dedicate a small portion of their articles to suck off grapplers, BJJers, MMAers, whatever, pacify them, and then go on talking out of their ass.
                              Truth. And though the arguments are old and lame, this is, IMO, a new trend in how they are being presented.

                              Regards,
                              Matt

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by HAPKO3

                                Discussing this article in an intelligent manner is a waste of our time. It's all been said before. Many times. There's nothing new here.
                                www.xingyiquan.org.
                                That civilisation may not sink,
                                Its great battle lost,
                                Quiet the dog, tether the pony
                                To a distant post;
                                Our master Caesar is in the tent
                                Where the maps are spread,
                                His eyes fixed upon nothing,
                                A hand under his head.


                                - W.B. Yeats

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