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    Interesting. Anyway, we will be banning all of the accounts except yours. There are 6 accounts, including yours, all posting from the same IP.

    Since you have drawn your conclusion and made changes there is no reason to keep all of the "other" accounts active.

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      Thank you however, I'm not entirely done with this.

      I'd like to know if Mr. Russell is a liar ?

      He may well be talented but the credibility of a liar, isn't a particularly good example for anyone.

      I'd like to know more about Mr. Russell's additional claims of lineage other than via Mr. Damon.

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        NYJJ's new MMA bio for Jay Russell.

        http://nyjiujitsualbany.com/node/26

        No mention of BBs in either BJJ or Judo.

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          Originally posted by DuckofDeath View Post
          NYJJ's new MMA bio for Jay Russell.

          http://nyjiujitsualbany.com/node/26

          No mention of BBs in either BJJ or Judo.
          I will give them props for checking into and making the correct adjustments. I do agree with Simo as, he was caught in possible lies and those should be checked out as deeply as possible.

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            Originally posted by DuckofDeath View Post
            NYJJ's new MMA bio for Jay Russell.

            http://nyjiujitsualbany.com/node/26

            No mention of BBs in either BJJ or Judo.
            There's no mentioning of anything. No ranks, no prior training, absolute nothing that would/could validate Jay Russell as a suitable teacher for MMA.

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              Originally posted by cbeatty View Post

              One thing I know for sure is that Jay was accepting challenge matches to prove the effectiveness of Jiu-Jitsu before most people had heard of Jiu-Jitsu or MMA. He has stepped onto the mat, into the cage, and on the street to test his skills.

              Obviously you have some sort of ax to grind; but I would recommend you spend more time training and less time typing.

              Chad Beatty
              Spa City Jiu-Jitsu
              You can see Jay Russell and Chad Beatty training together and rolling in the following video. Russell must have been a pretty damned good fake to snooker a legit BJJ black belt like Beatty.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCO1yJNlPT4

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                Originally posted by Samuel Browning View Post
                Secondly IF Mr. Damon was presenting himself as a BJJ Black Belt before he earned this rank, there is little to separate him morally from Mr. Russell.
                Well, Samuel, since you're an attorney, I'd like your opinion on this. Here's a Yellowbook listing copyrighted 2009 that states that Jordan Damon is a "Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belter." Damon didn't become a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt until September 2010.

                http://jiujitsunationwny.com/

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                  Originally posted by Samuel Browning View Post
                  IIF, with your understanding, since these two were kinda joined at the hip, I think Jordan's credentials are a proper subject for this thread.
                  Jordan Damon was a BJJ brown belt under Marcos Santos:

                  http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

                  So why was a Marcos Santos BJJ brown belt touted in the 2009 Yellowbook listing as a BJJ black belt when he didn't become a BJJ black belt until Sept. 2010?

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                    So, given your obvious and veracious interest in this subject, when will you be preparing a formal write-up ?

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                      Originally posted by DuckofDeath View Post
                      Well, Samuel, since you're an attorney, I'd like your opinion on this. Here's a Yellowbook listing copyrighted 2009 that states that Jordan Damon is a "Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belter." Damon didn't become a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt until September 2010.
                      ...
                      I'm not Samuel, but am also an attorney (seem to be a glut of us on the boards recently...there goes the neighborhood, right?) and as multiple informed opinions might create a healthy conversation on the topic, decided to respond.

                      First - I don't understand your question. Are you asking if the apparent misrepresentation is actionable? Possibly, depending on circumstances.

                      Second - if I was a student at that school and wanted out of my contract, I could argue that this was Fraud in the Inducement, thus nulling any "meeting of the minds." Absent such meeting, there is no binding contract. You might (and I stress might) be able to recover any fees paid to the school for the classes as well, but that would largely depend on the judge.

                      Third - There might be a general fraud claim tacked on in an attempt to reach punitive damages. It would be tough for someone who didn't also have a contract claim to realize this tort -- big standing (ability to bring the lawsuit) issues there.

                      Fourth - disclaimer: I'm not a NY attorney, so can't really get into details about how NY law might alter this admittedly extremely general overview.

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                        Originally posted by Simio de las Rocas View Post
                        So, given your obvious and veracious interest in this subject, when will you be preparing a formal write-up ?
                        I'm in the beginning stages now.

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                          Originally posted by Eldritch View Post
                          I'm not Samuel, but am also an attorney (seem to be a glut of us on the boards recently...there goes the neighborhood, right?) and as multiple informed opinions might create a healthy conversation on the topic, decided to respond.

                          First - I don't understand your question. Are you asking if the apparent misrepresentation is actionable? Possibly, depending on circumstances.

                          Second - if I was a student at that school and wanted out of my contract, I could argue that this was Fraud in the Inducement, thus nulling any "meeting of the minds." Absent such meeting, there is no binding contract. You might (and I stress might) be able to recover any fees paid to the school for the classes as well, but that would largely depend on the judge.

                          Third - There might be a general fraud claim tacked on in an attempt to reach punitive damages. It would be tough for someone who didn't also have a contract claim to realize this tort -- big standing (ability to bring the lawsuit) issues there.

                          Fourth - disclaimer: I'm not a NY attorney, so can't really get into details about how NY law might alter this admittedly extremely general overview.
                          Thanks for the input. Samuel had brought up the moral issue of misrepresenting martial arts rank, and I was interested in the legal implications of the deceptive Yellowbook listing.

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                            Originally posted by DuckofDeath View Post
                            I'm in the beginning stages now.
                            Ok, when you have something you feel is ready to be proof read let Sam know and he'll subject it to his legal scrutiny, before it's uploaded to the wiki.

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                              breaking news, jay russell was awarded his black belt in melborn north carolina under gracie barra. I just so happens that a man jay gave a black belt too many moons ago retired and moved out there. Jay also lived in albany ny, so how could he find the time to train at barra in NC...the story goes on...

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                                Originally posted by mr.jitz View Post
                                Jay also lived in albany ny, so how could he find the time to train at barra in NC...the story goes on...
                                You resurrected (necro'd) an old thread; are you asking a serious question or providing supporting information that someone is a fraud?

                                Regarding the question portion of your post, I used to use my vacation and leave time to do serious training (not a six hour seminar). Although it took me about three years of doing this along with training locally, I did advance. So to answer your question, Yes, it is very possible; if I can do it with my feeble old self, others can too.

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