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    Originally posted by It is Fake View Post

    I am agreeing with you. I am saying it is bullshit that the Urgent Care turned him away and didn’t call or have him wait for 911, but they are not an emergency room. Many have a policy of turning the away the uninsured. I’ve been in there when they have told someone to call 911 and either called them on their own. That’s my “bullshit” part. Fucking call 911 for the teen, don’t send him on his way. Also, let me add, some urgent care is full of nurses and doctors treat patients on specific days. So, I understand saying we can’t help you. The receptionist or whatever should have left off the you aren’t insured and it wouldn’t have made the news.
    A few years back I had some intense pain deep below the sternum area. I'd had a heart scan previously and was in good shape on that account. Wife and daughter are insured. Me being self employed and in the job I am, insurance was going to be incredibly high. I pay as I go, hence going to the after hours clinic. They told me they couldn't do an EKG and advised me to go to the emergency room.

    By the time I got there and was hooked up the pain had passed. Thousands of dollars. I later had an EKG performed at a walk in clinic wherein I think it cost me $65 for the office visit and maybe another $100 for the EKG.

    The cost of care in the US is tantamount to robbery with every entity between the insurance companies, the hospitals and pharma getting their slice.
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      Originally posted by It is Fake View Post

      I am agreeing with you. I am saying it is bullshit that the Urgent Care turned him away and didn’t call or have him wait for 911, but they are not an emergency room. Many have a policy of turning the away the uninsured. I’ve been in there when they have told someone to call 911 and either called them on their own. That’s my “bullshit” part. Fucking call 911 for the teen, don’t send him on his way. Also, let me add, some urgent care is full of nurses and doctors treat patients on specific days. So, I understand saying we can’t help you. The receptionist or whatever should have left off the you aren’t insured and it wouldn’t have made the news.
      Yeah, I understand the difference between urgent care and emerg. This case has been widely publicized and has resulted in some unfair criticism of the US system. Not that the US system shouldn't be criticized but I had always understood that emergency departments had to treat, so it's nice to hear that they do that even for minors. The fact that you might then be hit with an obnoxious bill after the fact is a different discussion.

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        Originally posted by hungryjoe View Post

        A few years back I had some intense pain deep below the sternum area. I'd had a heart scan previously and was in good shape on that account. Wife and daughter are insured. Me being self employed and in the job I am, insurance was going to be incredibly high. I pay as I go, hence going to the after hours clinic. They told me they couldn't do an EKG and advised me to go to the emergency room.

        By the time I got there and was hooked up the pain had passed. Thousands of dollars. I later had an EKG performed at a walk in clinic wherein I think it cost me $65 for the office visit and maybe another $100 for the EKG.

        The cost of care in the US is tantamount to robbery with every entity between the insurance companies, the hospitals and pharma getting their slice.
        That's the cost of an unregulated free market system, what are you a commie?? Pay for your $25,000 bandaid and yell "yeehaw I don't need none o' that socialism stuff".

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          Originally posted by Bneterasedmynam View Post

          That's the cost of an unregulated free market system, what are you a commie?? Pay for your $25,000 bandaid and yell "yeehaw I don't need none o' that socialism stuff".
          Sorry I forgot to add an appropriate picture....

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            Originally posted by hungryjoe View Post

            A few years back I had some intense pain deep below the sternum area. I'd had a heart scan previously and was in good shape on that account. Wife and daughter are insured. Me being self employed and in the job I am, insurance was going to be incredibly high. I pay as I go, hence going to the after hours clinic. They told me they couldn't do an EKG and advised me to go to the emergency room.

            By the time I got there and was hooked up the pain had passed. Thousands of dollars. I later had an EKG performed at a walk in clinic wherein I think it cost me $65 for the office visit and maybe another $100 for the EKG.

            The cost of care in the US is tantamount to robbery with every entity between the insurance companies, the hospitals and pharma getting their slice.
            In the first place, I would argue that it has been clear for decades that in the long run, reforms are needed to ensure sustaintability of the US health care system. I am disappointed that normally whenever the subject comes up the Republican party claims that any reform efforts are tantamount to socialism and must not be undertaken. I remember 1Bad waxing poetic about how wonderful his health insurance was in the 90s...lol.

            Even if you take Dolecare and call it Obamacare, suddenly these reforms need to be sabatoged and blocked at every step because it's socialism. They should have just called it Dolecare when Obama was in office.

            With all that being said I have tremendous sympathy for your medical bill . Surprise bills that are enormous and how they intersect with uninsured persons are a tremendous problem in the current system. One element of the dynamic does go back to Ronald Reagan signing EMTALA, saying basically that everyone who comes to an emergency room must be stabilized. So you literally have homeless dudes who abuse EDs like a free hotel room that serves narcotics. They get the bill but they are not good for it and nothing prevents them from repeatedly using the EMS and ED services with impunity for a night off the streets.

            I was very sad, angry even, to hear about your bill for a 1 time EKG. I feel that I understand some of the elements of the problem but that doesn't make it any less frustrating. I am also frustrated that any effort to begin to talk about it gets shouted down with "socialism" as some kind of swearword.

            You could have bought your own EKG machine for less: https://www.amazon.com/Zinnor-Digita...xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

            Once you have the machine the cost to take a reading is negligible. Of course you'd need someone to interpret it but finding such a person would hardly be impossible.

            EDIT: By the way, in the context of the US, what would be the main barriers to finding someone to interpret your EKG? Licensure laws, and liability. In other words, not that there aren't a lot of people who could reliably confirm a normal reading. Rather, the fear of boards of licensure coming after someone for doing so if you happen to live in another state or if something is considered out of order with doing so in terms of scope of practice, and also the fear that if you're advised that the reading is normal, but that later you have a problem, that you're going to turn around and sue the person who told you it was normal and since they did it in an irregular and informal way, they are going to be more vulnerable to a lawsuit. But, at the very least, there are a lot of people with basic training and experience who could look at a rhythm strip and confirm a normal reading. Interpreting an abnormal would require a little bit more experience but the basic situation is the same.
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              Fear of hospital bills is likely to contribute to the spread of this disease in the US, not to mention the death count.

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                Originally posted by NeilG View Post
                Fear of hospital bills is likely to contribute to the spread of this disease in the US, not to mention the death count.
                Fear of hospital bills drives up overall healthcare costs in the US because among people who choose to rely on emergency departments for their primary care and who also have something to lose financially (i.e. working poor), they would avoid addressing their medical problems until they become impossible to ignore.

                It's a weird dichotomy where people who have nothing to lose, such as homeless people with substance abuse problems, can get unlimited use of the system by ignoring medical bills, but people who have some income and resources but can't afford good health insurance, can be financially ruined by using health care services.

                Tremendous perverse incentives are baked into the current system.

                But don't you dare say that or else you're a socialist.
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                  Originally posted by hungryjoe View Post

                  A few years back I had some intense pain deep below the sternum area. I'd had a heart scan previously and was in good shape on that account. Wife and daughter are insured. Me being self employed and in the job I am, insurance was going to be incredibly high. I pay as I go, hence going to the after hours clinic. They told me they couldn't do an EKG and advised me to go to the emergency room.

                  By the time I got there and was hooked up the pain had passed. Thousands of dollars. I later had an EKG performed at a walk in clinic wherein I think it cost me $65 for the office visit and maybe another $100 for the EKG.

                  The cost of care in the US is tantamount to robbery with every entity between the insurance companies, the hospitals and pharma getting their slice.
                  Yep. I went to the wrong hospital because my companies plan changed. I was charged like a grand, this was in the 90s, for a blood pressure and temperature check and THEN I was told oops wrong hospital.

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                    Originally posted by NeilG View Post
                    Fear of hospital bills is likely to contribute to the spread of this disease in the US, not to mention the death count.
                    Naw, our love of false flag conspiracies causes way more deaths than any small contribution due to fear of hospitals.

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                      Had to look up “false flag conspiracy “..,

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                        Originally posted by NeilG View Post
                        Had to look up “false flag conspiracy “..,
                        Hoser.

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                          Originally posted by NeilG View Post
                          Fear of hospital bills is likely to contribute to the spread of this disease in the US, not to mention the death count.
                          Long waits for things like MRIs on non-emergency basis drive Klanadians to the US for medical care.

                          I know, I have lots of Klanadian friends.

                          They complain all the time.

                          One of my Judo students was in an bad car wreck. Coming back from a Judo shiai in Edmonton.

                          He was/is a young, healthy athletic man. Except for his neck.

                          It's a long story, I won't bore with details. Suffice it to say, they told him to just take pain pills and get physical therapy. It was 2 years plus before he got an MRI to diagnose his neck.

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                            Yeah, our system is not perfect for sure. But in your students case, I think that was a general screw-up. It doesn't take 2 years to get an MRI generally, even for elective stuff. Doctors screw up like regular folks in both systems.

                            Elective surgery is a different matter. My ortho guy tells me not to let my hip pain get too bad, because it's an 18 month wait for hip replacements.

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                              Originally posted by BKR View Post

                              Long waits for things like MRIs on non-emergency basis drive Klanadians to the US for medical care.

                              I know, I have lots of Klanadian friends.

                              They complain all the time.

                              One of my Judo students was in an bad car wreck. Coming back from a Judo shiai in Edmonton.

                              He was/is a young, healthy athletic man. Except for his neck.

                              It's a long story, I won't bore with details. Suffice it to say, they told him to just take pain pills and get physical therapy. It was 2 years plus before he got an MRI to diagnose his neck.
                              I don't know how much stock I put in it but supposedly the FDA approved a new MRI machine that only costs $50,000 and is a small fraction of the size and cost to operate the existing units.
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                                Originally posted by BKR View Post

                                Long waits for things like MRIs on non-emergency basis drive Klanadians to the US for medical care.

                                I know, I have lots of Klanadian friends.

                                They complain all the time.

                                One of my Judo students was in an bad car wreck. Coming back from a Judo shiai in Edmonton.

                                He was/is a young, healthy athletic man. Except for his neck.

                                It's a long story, I won't bore with details. Suffice it to say, they told him to just take pain pills and get physical therapy. It was 2 years plus before he got an MRI to diagnose his neck.
                                We can compare outcomes of both our health care systems, in an honest way, if you like.

                                But if you just want to use anecdotes, I can come up with all kinds of positive ones for our health care system and negative ones for yours; if you just want to engage in a shit throwing contest.

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