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    Gender vs Sex; Nature vs Nurture

    As this is a popular, recurring discussion topic I'm starting this thread primarily to lay out some basic explanations for the factors involved so that everyone can discuss it going forward from a more informed position; or in other words, less-fucking idiotic regurgitated bullshit from either side of the argument.

    I'll be filling this OP in as things go, but for now I'm just posting a brief note that Gender and Sex are different things, the former determined by culture, the latter determined by biology; and that assholes who try to tell you otherwise are generally either deluded or pushing an agenda.

    Start here:

    https://quillette.com/2018/11/30/the...ution-deniers/

    #2
    Good read, thanks.
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      #3
      Honey Badger personality test (delete as appropriate)

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        #4
        Partly going to use this thread to curate the worst takes on this subject:
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          Bloop
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            #6
            lol sperg

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              #7
              I am not disputing the concepts of Sex as a Spectrum or Gender as a spectrum or the fact those two things are different.
              We create interesting problems for sure when we treat gender and sex as the same thing. Such as title ix issues that arise when we let gender dictate what sex people compete with.
              That in it self is full of a spectrum fairness. Some times is seems very appropriate and other times it seems to give someone a very unfair advantage.
              Of the single rapier fight between valiant men, having both skill, he that is the best wrestler, or if neither of them can wrestle, the strongest man most commonly kills the other, or leaves him at his mercy.
              –George Silver, Paradoxes of Defence

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                #8
                Forwarded the link to daughter #1 with a master's in social work. Good read.
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Phrost View Post
                  Partly going to use this thread to curate the worst takes on this subject:
                  So, you might want to focus on people other than guys who run an online comedy website.
                  https://washingtonbabylon.com/worst-...oah-berlatsky/
                  Last edited by BKR; 2/17/2020 12:12pm, .
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by goodlun View Post
                    I am not disputing the concepts of Sex as a Spectrum or Gender as a spectrum or the fact those two things are different.
                    We create interesting problems for sure when we treat gender and sex as the same thing. Such as title ix issues that arise when we let gender dictate what sex people compete with.
                    That in it self is full of a spectrum fairness. Some times is seems very appropriate and other times it seems to give someone a very unfair advantage.
                    You mean, like, it's ok for someone who was born a woman to compete, because they probably don't have an advantage compared to someone who was born a male competing against females?

                    That seems to be the biggest argument, that I see. It's all fun and games until females have to compete against testosterone fueled dudes in sprints.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Diesel_tke View Post

                      You mean, like, it's ok for someone who was born a woman to compete, because they probably don't have an advantage compared to someone who was born a male competing against females?

                      That seems to be the biggest argument, that I see. It's all fun and games until females have to compete against testosterone fueled dudes in sprints.
                      The only thing that really comes to my mind where sex is more important than gender does seem to be sport, but I am sure that their has to be other things.

                      With sport it can be complicated:
                      You could have a transwoman that didn't go through puberty as a male, so that isn't likely to provide much advantage.
                      Then we can get into the complications of intersex athletes that have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperandrogenism
                      This is a good read on the topic:
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_ve...tion_in_sports
                      Of the single rapier fight between valiant men, having both skill, he that is the best wrestler, or if neither of them can wrestle, the strongest man most commonly kills the other, or leaves him at his mercy.
                      –George Silver, Paradoxes of Defence

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Diesel_tke View Post

                        You mean, like, it's ok for someone who was born a woman to compete, because they probably don't have an advantage compared to someone who was born a male competing against females?

                        That seems to be the biggest argument, that I see. It's all fun and games until females have to compete against testosterone fueled dudes in sprints.
                        Bone structure has a lot to do with power generation.
                        A long torso makes you capable of more power generation.
                        bone size In the arms, tendon connection and hand size have a lot to do with power generation in punching. Most Boxing knockout artist have 8 in (or greater)wrists. Both Manny Pacquiao and George Foreman possess these.
                        Mens reaction times are also 12 ms faster on average. Thats huge.
                        Men are built to fight, women less so.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Raycetpfl View Post
                          Men are built to fight, women less so.
                          LOL, says a man who's never pushed a 9 lb baby out of any hole.

                          Your idea of "fight" is primitive and naive, that's all.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Raycetpfl View Post

                            Bone structure has a lot to do with power generation.
                            A long torso makes you capable of more power generation.
                            bone size In the arms, tendon connection and hand size have a lot to do with power generation in punching. Most Boxing knockout artist have 8 in (or greater)wrists. Both Manny Pacquiao and George Foreman possess these.
                            Mens reaction times are also 12 ms faster on average. Thats huge.
                            Men are built to fight, women less so.
                            Strength is not the only variable though

                            Is there any evidence to show males have better co-ordination or reflexes than females, or that males are more able to absorb technique

                            In nature female predatory pack animals are often better at hunting than males

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by doofaloofa View Post

                              Strength is not the only variable though

                              Is there any evidence to show males have better co-ordination or reflexes than females, or that males are more able to absorb technique

                              In nature female predatory pack animals are often better at hunting than males
                              Strength vs Technique is an interesting scale, and one we experience over and over again in training.
                              But it is not just strength I dislike the over reliance on people comparing strength.
                              Its total Athleticism.
                              I can deal with a person stronger than me grappling fairly easily even if we are at the same technical level.
                              I have a much harder time dealing with someone more athletic than me even if I am a lot more technical.

                              Men typically are over all pound 4 pound more athletic.
                              The key word is typically.
                              Especially if we are talking about the same diet & athletic routine.
                              Of the single rapier fight between valiant men, having both skill, he that is the best wrestler, or if neither of them can wrestle, the strongest man most commonly kills the other, or leaves him at his mercy.
                              –George Silver, Paradoxes of Defence

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