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    "F*** you, asiaphile"

    While this touches on common themes of Asiaphilia and self image among the Asperger's soaked TMA population, and her politics are froody, there's just one problem: The author herself isn't japanese. So I get to still describe myself as an otaku. Neener neener.

    Nevertheless, let's spring off this to a discussion on cultural appropriation and asiaphilia re: martial arts.


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    because they alone, by questioning the society's values,
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    #2
    A fun example is a recent episode of Everybody Hates Chris, wherein Chris and his brother cross hands, literally. Chris learned at a karate dojo, while his bro got it from watching Kung Fu movies.
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      #3
      The truth is people who appropriate things from other cultures do it because they are ill used by their own, not because of any real opinion held of the culture.

      It's a desire to see the rejecting culture's rejection as a flaw with it, rather then the rejectee. These people exist in every culture.

      Oh, and I eat food from everywhere - because it's good. Nothing -ist or -ism about that.

      --my response to the blog entry.

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        #4
        Does this mean I'm no longer allowed to watch the Ghost in the Shell TV series while eating sushi?

        Becase that would really suck.

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          #5
          Originally posted by JohnnyCache
          The truth is people who appropriate things from other cultures do it because they are ill used by their own, not because of any real opinion held of the culture.

          Oh, and I eat food from everywhere - because it's good. Nothing -ist or -ism about that.
          ill used by? Are you sure you don't mean ill used to?
          What things are ill used by their own culture?

          As for food, if you can like all kinds of food, why can't you like all kinds of cultural artifacts? My sesame chicken could be your filet mignon -- the value of something in its original culture can be very different to its value transported to another culture.
          52 blocks documentary: arrived

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            #6
            Superficial appropriation of any culture is a plague. Nothing wrong with informed appreciation, but don't treat other cultures like a smorgabord to make up for your lack of imagination. For the best example of superficial appropriation of Asian words, along with those from quantum physics, see the New Age 'breatharian' phoney Jasmuheen.
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              #7
              Originally posted by DAYoung
              Superficial appropriation of any culture is a plague. Nothing wrong with informed appreciation, but don't treat other cultures like a smorgabord to make up for your lack of imagination.
              I don't think it's a big deal. Asians who take huge offense to Asianphiles misusing the culture have too much time on their hands. If it's racist, that's a problem, but otherwise, whatever.
              52 blocks documentary: arrived

              "Joe Lauzon looks like a quiet, Internet guy..." -- Dana White

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                #8
                Isn't a huge segment of modern Japanese popular culture made up of 'superficial appropriation' of Western styles?

                What exactly is the problem with this? Other than that the blog author above feels evil round eyes are stealing the things that make her special?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by meng_mao
                  I don't think it's a big deal. Asians who take huge offense to Asianphiles misusing the culture have too much time on their hands. If it's racist, that's a problem, but otherwise, whatever.
                  I don't think it's necessarily bad for the Asians (though it is often insulting for dominated or oppressed cultures) - it's bad for us. Healthy people and peoples don't need to trade in the false coin of stolen culture. Superficiality is unhealthy for the appropriator, not always the appropriated. Shallow asiaphiles are sick.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by PointyShinyBurn
                    Isn't a huge segment of modern Japanese popular culture made up of 'superficial appropriation' of Western styles?

                    What exactly is the problem with this? Other than that the blog author above feels evil round eyes are stealing the things that make her special?
                    Superficiality in any form is not a good thing, wherever it occurs.
                    Martial Arts and Philosophy: Beating and Nothingness
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by DAYoung
                      Superficiality in any form is not a good thing, wherever it occurs.
                      It depends whether the use of superficial elements is confused with the real thing. I don't think that eating sushi makes me Japanese any more than carefully-coiffured Japanese 'punk' bands think their leather jackets equate to the spirit of 77.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by PointyShinyBurn
                        It depends whether the use of superficial elements is confused with the real thing. I don't think that eating sushi makes me Japanese any more than carefully-coiffured Japanese 'punk' bands think their leather jackets equate to the spirit of 77.
                        Spot on. I agree. Also, the capacity to recognise something as shallow is not a mark of the superficial (they think its T3h R3al). Again, see much of the New Age market.
                        Last edited by DAYoung; 5/04/2006 4:52am, .
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by meng_mao
                          ill used by? Are you sure you don't mean ill used to?
                          What things are ill used by their own culture?

                          As for food, if you can like all kinds of food, why can't you like all kinds of cultural artifacts? My sesame chicken could be your filet mignon -- the value of something in its original culture can be very different to its value transported to another culture.

                          Ill used by = poorly treated by

                          Sinophiles (or people obsessed with any other culture) generally fall into two groups:

                          The Clavel/hayes "I saw something in the culture mine lacked" variety and the pimply-faced otaku sort.

                          Both seem to have a component of being (or at least feeling) poorly treated by their birth culture, and so they are driven to externalize virtue in order to suppose that it is their culture's fault for not recognizing their value, rather then their own fault for having so little.

                          There is a rare third type who as actually lived a large portion of their life in the 'target' culture, but this person is more like a minority within it rather then an external admirer, IMO.

                          Also, I agree that it's really not that big of deal. Any asian that gripes about otaku seems to me to be blind to a lot of asians running around playing baseball, OWNING fucking poker tables like god's personal curse on the gambling industry, and owning things like nazi-themed nightclubs...not to mention people putting shrimp on pizza, FFS.

                          I eat japanese and chinese food because I'm an american. I eat a ton of shit everyday and if some of it isn't from other cultures, I get bored and have to watch cooking shows.

                          But then, I'm not an obsessive asian wannabe...so I don't understand it.
                          Last edited by JohnnyCache; 5/04/2006 5:09am, .

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by JohnnyCache
                            Both seem to have a component of being (or at least feeling) poorly treated by their birth culture, and so they are driven to externalize virtue in order to suppose that it is their culture's fault for not recognizing their value, rather then their own fault for having so little.
                            Huzzah. Nicely said.
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by JohnnyCache
                              Ill used by = poorly treated by

                              Sinophiles (or people obsessed with any other culture) generally fall into two groups:

                              The Clavel/hayes "I saw something in the culture mine lacked" variety and the pimply-faced otaku sort.

                              Both seem to have a component of being (or at least feeling) poorly treated by their birth culture, and so they are driven to externalize virtue in order to suppose that it is their culture's fault for not recognizing their value, rather then their own fault for having so little.

                              There is a rare third type who as actually lived a large portion of their life in the 'target' culture, but this person is more like a minority within it rather then an external admirer, IMO.
                              I'd dispute the notion that we're duty bound to the culture we're born into. I know many people who've succesfully redefined themselves for various reasons. I don't think the only plausible reason is a lack of personal value.

                              What's wrong with Hayes et al. isn't that they chose to participate in a culture primarily composed of the differently coloured, it's that they push a half arsed and superficial version as if it were the real thing.

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