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    Kick-punch-elbow-knee-whatever
    But how do you determine precise strategy? I mean not just picking out their weakness's but the in depth strategy, I have no idea on this and I figured it would make a good thread so yeah.

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    Originally posted by FighterJones
    Kick-punch-elbow-knee-whatever
    But how do you determine precise strategy? I mean not just picking out their weakness's but the in depth strategy, I have no idea on this and I figured it would make a good thread so yeah.
    You're going to have to explain what you mean a lil better. I don't know that it's any more complicated than using the best attacks against their weakest points.

    My boxing strat = hit them more than they hit me. More depth? I have a good fast jab so I like to double and triple up on it.

    Umm.. a guy at my gym has great speed so he lowers his lead hand way more than is safe. This opening is hard to resist but since he knows the punch is coming he's ready to counter punch when someone goes for it. It's a bad habit, but he's gotten away with it so far.
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      #3
      My strategy is to defeat my opponent. I do that by utilizing what I've learned.

      What exactly are you asking for dude?
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        #4
        Caveat: I am a noob to full contact. What I'm about to describe will sound stupid to more experienced people and probably change radically as I improve.

        I am of stocky build (with plenty of fat to lose). I think even when I get my body fat to a respectable level, I will still have short reach for my weight, as I've always been broad-shouldered and heavy framed.

        The little bit of success I've had in sparring has come from charging in close as I can. I get hit a lot, but at least I have a chance of hitting them back. If don't have the reach, or currently the agility, so although I get hit, I instinctively feel in more danger when I'm further away.

        I don't aim for the body because I don't think I hit hard enough yet for it to do any real damage to somebody even roughly my own size, so I just aim for the head.

        At the stage I'm at it's all a very simplistic game of 'I know I'm going to get hit, so I'll just try and make sure I get to hit them back'.
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          #5
          what's the context?

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            #6
            I think you mean tactics. Strategy is different.

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              #7
              If he makes a mistake, I kick his face
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                #8
                But how do you determine precise strategy? I mean not just picking out their weakness's but the in depth strategy, I have no idea on this and I figured it would make a good thread so yeah.
                Yeah. It should make a good thread. I am starting to see in the past couple days why there's a special technical forum for grappling but there was only a striking forum after a fair bit of pissing and moaning. And here it is........*owls hooting*.

                Why the staggering lack of thought on the subject? It's an excellent question.

                My boxing strat = hit them more than they hit me. More depth? I have a good fast jab so I like to double and triple up on it.
                That's it? That's all you got?

                My strategy is to defeat my opponent. I do that by utilizing what I've learned.
                ....which says basically nothing.

                Cullion came close to presenting something although it really is more tactics than strategy but the two are close but in the end he admits:

                At the stage I'm at it's all a very simplistic game of 'I know I'm going to get hit, so I'll just try and make sure I get to hit them back'.
                I'd say that Fighter Jones first needs to get clear on the difference between tactics and strategy but even if we muddle that for now it really depends on who you are facing. This is a question that, if you are serious about yourself as a martial artist, you should be thinking about all the time. I'd say to make the question more meaningfull, like Maverick suggested, you need some context. We need some context to even contemplate any suggestions.

                Since your profile lists mostly wrestling type stuff I'd say your general strategy should be to take the other guy down and work for position. But your here in the striking forum and you asked about kicking, punching, elbowing so I guess you mean you need a strategy to apply whatever striking skills you have?

                Here's some questions to consider when developing your strategy:

                - How is your reach relative to the other guy?
                - What is your relative strength? Speed? Technical precision? Timing?
                - Are you relatively tall or short?
                - Do you kick better or punch better?
                - Do you have any tactics that you think you are particularly good at or even just better at than the other stuff you do?
                - What kind of fighter are you personality-wise? A bulldog? A clown? A chess player? What?
                - Hows your endurance?

                After you've given some real thought to these questions then you can get to work deciding what kinds of strategies can be effective for you.
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Kidspatula
                  If he makes a mistake, I kick his face
                  I got a friend you'd like. She uses the same line. Although normally she says, "If you piss me off, I'll kick your face.

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                    #10
                    Omar made some very good points.

                    Before we can discuss strategy, we need to know what we're working working with. What tools do you have at your disposal? Are you talking ring strategy or street? Stand-up or ground? Both?

                    These, the things Omar mentioned, and other factors determine strategy.

                    Strategy determines tactics, which is what many here are confusing. Tactics are "I've got a good fast jab and a good left cross, so I'll use the jab for a set up and finish with the cross. " Tactics are "fake low, hit high".

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                      #11
                      How is your reach relative to the other guy?
                      - What is your relative strength? Speed? Technical precision? Timing?
                      - Are you relatively tall or short?
                      - Do you kick better or punch better?
                      - Do you have any tactics that you think you are particularly good at or even just better at than the other stuff you do?
                      - What kind of fighter are you personality-wise? A bulldog? A clown? A chess player? What?
                      - Hows your endurance?

                      And that's why there's no discussion - everything is relative. Or unique to the situation. It's not like grappling where if someone is going for a joint lock there are certain moves that give you the best chance to escape or counter.
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                        #12
                        thanks omar, yeah thats sorta what im saying, I'm meaning stuff like what cro cop does
                        I'v observed when he gets his left high kick, and most of the time, it isn't just when he gets the opening.
                        look at the aleksander and igor fight, what I'v notice is he gets them messed up with the rythm of circling, sometimes when they start going TOWARDS his power hand, and it seems when he sees that, he waits for them to put their feet together and then WATCHA!
                        i'm talking counter fighting, i'm talking offensive fighting, but not just what is what, but what behaviors make them up- BESIDES just pushing forwards.
                        I'm extremely inarticulate, please bear with me, and what exactly is the difference between tactics and stratagy in just striking?

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                          #13
                          That's kind of the problem. Like my coach says - you need to box to learn to box.

                          When you start to counter punch - you're trying to time the other guys punches. But they best way to do that depends on teh other guys style. He a jab poker? head hunter? or does he just want to stand and brawl?

                          I have an old pdf with some basics... This what you're talking about?

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                            #14
                            Strategy is your overall gameplan. Tactics are the techniques you uese to implement the strategy.

                            i.e. You are fighting a guy who is primarily a counter-fighter (e.g. Pedro Rizzo). He will not engage in a toe to toe fight and will attempt to draw you in and make you waste energy on attacks. Youre strategy is to disrupt his ability to counterattack with controlled aggression and unpredicatability.

                            Confuse him by using feints and misdirection (your tactics). Mix up your attacks. Force him to engage or get him into a corner/up against the cage where it is harder for him to back away from you attacks. Be aware you are probably in for a long fight as the counterpuncher is very patient and is used to taking some damage.

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                              #15
                              I'm extremely inarticulate, please bear with me, and what exactly is the difference between tactics and stratagy in just striking?
                              Using one of your examples to make it specific:

                              Originally posted by FighterJones
                              ...I'm meaning stuff like what cro cop does
                              I'v observed when he gets his left high kick, and most of the time, it isn't just when he gets the opening.
                              His strategy is to stay on his feet and take advantage of his superior striking skills, epecially his kicks to dominate the match.

                              His tactics include ut are not limited to:

                              - an excellent sprawl
                              - standing up when he has the chance rather than conituing on te ground. He even steps back and invites the other fighter to stand rather than kicking them when they are down.
                              - on the ground he stalls. He goes for a tight closed guard and double overhooks.
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