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    Is communism a viable form of government?

    Now that China is emerging as a super power that the U.S. depends on for most of its products are we to assume that communism, when not being fucked with nonstop by capitalist nations, actually works?

    When you look at history its hard to tell what forms of government actually work because war and conflict fuck the whole works up.

    With China growing the way it is is that proff that a communist government(with some capitalist tweaking) works?
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    #2
    Originally posted by PeedeeShaolin
    Now that China is emerging as a super power that the U.S. depends on for most of its products are we to assume that communism, when not being fucked with nonstop by capitalist nations, actually works?

    When you look at history its hard to tell what forms of government actually work because war and conflict fuck the whole works up.

    With China growing the way it is is that proff that a communist government(with some capitalist tweaking) works?
    You're right: Communism works as long as you completely ignore its principles and act like Capitalists.

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      #3
      Its a paradoxical hybrid of communism and capitalism. And somehow it does work.
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        #4
        Originally posted by Phrost
        You're right: Communism works as long as you completely ignore its principles and act like Capitalists.
        We ignore capitalist principles also. You are NOT allowed to engage in the free market.

        If I were a nuclear scientist and North Korea or China wanted to pay me to work for THEM I would not be allowed to do it even if they were to give me more money.

        As with all forms of government both capitalism and communism do not work without each other. Public schools are a social program and lean more towards communism than capitalism yet we probably have very many members on this board who would have no education without a public school sysytem.
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          #5
          I don't think communism sucks NOT because of its ideas of collective good and egalitarianism, I think it sucks because it always seems to devolve into either totalitarianism or some bullshit hypocritical nonsense where turnip-eating dirt farmers in Siberia have to send part of their crop to Politburo headquarters and Party higher-ups drink their vodka out of Waterford crystal in a summer home on the Crimea. Which is pretty much what happened to the Soviets.

          That, and as a great warrior once said, no one wants to wear Bulgarian shoes.
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            #6
            Originally posted by PeedeeShaolin
            As with all forms of government both capitalism and communism do not work without each other. Public schools are a social program and lean more towards communism than capitalism yet we probably have very many members on this board who would have no education without a public school sysytem.
            I would argue that the public school system is capitalistic in its outcomes.

            How much is a freely educated workforce worth to American businesses? McDonalds, Wal-mart, Ford, etc. don't have to train workers to read or count or do arithmetic, etc. Quite a savings for them.

            Maybe that's not capitalistic, but it certainly is market-driven.
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              #7
              Canuckyokushin:

              These women can do back flips right over my head and still land on there feet .GRrrrrrrr!

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              THAT'S NOTHING, I USED TO KNOW SOME 12 YEAR-OLDS WHO COULD FIT INSIDE A SUITCASE AND STAY ALIVE FOR 7 OR WAS IT 6 HOURS

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                #8
                Communism does work on a small scale, but it depends on strong cultural bonds within the group that makes up the commune. Look at a Hebrew Kibutz, they work just fine.

                The problem is that (at least some) humans are programmed to achieve above and beyond, and even at the expense of their neighbors. Accepting and embracing this reality is what Capitalism does.

                Extreme (Anarcho) Capitalism is just as ridiculous as Communism. Socialism tends to be the middle ground, and generally everyone lines up on one side of it or another in varying degrees. Personally, I line up far away from any form of economic system in which I'm forced to contribute large sums of my money on a sliding scale being penalized more and more for my increased success in life, with a negligible say in how that money is spent.

                Less government = more freedom. More freedom = more individual responsiblity. Yes, more individual responsibility = more failures, but it also means less slacker ass welfare bitches having 15 kids and criminals exploiting our public resources when they shouldn't even be in the country in the first place.

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                  #9
                  Yes, but also Less government control = more chance of feudal practices.
                  Canuckyokushin:

                  These women can do back flips right over my head and still land on there feet .GRrrrrrrr!

                  feedback:

                  THAT'S NOTHING, I USED TO KNOW SOME 12 YEAR-OLDS WHO COULD FIT INSIDE A SUITCASE AND STAY ALIVE FOR 7 OR WAS IT 6 HOURS

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Jolly_Roger
                    Yes, but also Less government control = more chance of feudal practices.
                    Feudal practices were government-enforced class divisions; in capitalism, one can (and many have) better their economic situation through excellence. Read Carnegie's life story sometime. However, capitalism creates a lot of losers as well as winners.

                    I think that with unionized labor and some public-service programs, capitalism can work. In the US, our public-service programs and our unions need to be reformed, but we do alright.

                    As for communism, it can't work in its pure form; human beings are just not made to share. All you can really hope for is a socialist republic, and there are countries in Europe who have done alright as socialist republics.
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                      #11
                      In an ideal world both sound great.
                      In reality one out competes the other but neither work too well.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by PeedeeShaolin
                        Now that China is emerging as a super power that the U.S. depends on for most of its products are we to assume that communism, when not being fucked with nonstop by capitalist nations, actually works?
                        It's called capitalist reforms, not 'communism works.'

                        When you look at history its hard to tell what forms of government actually work because war and conflict fuck the whole works up.
                        Yes, communist governments have an excellent track record... if you can turn a blind eye to the loss of political and personal freedoms, a depressed economy, mass starvation, mass imprisonments and executions of political opponents, etc...

                        With China growing the way it is is that proff that a communist government(with some capitalist tweaking) works?
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by king of seals
                          Its a paradoxical hybrid of communism and capitalism. And somehow it does work.
                          I think you mean "Frankenstein's Monster".

                          And if you tree-huggin' hippies think American MegaCorporations are bad, wait until you see the Chinese version.

                          Hopefully prosperity and free(ish) enterprise will continue to facillitate human rights over there.
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by PeedeeShaolin
                            Public schools are a social program and lean more towards communism than capitalism yet we probably have very many members on this board who would have no education without a public school sysytem.
                            Please don't hold up public schools in America as an example of "communism working".
                            Last edited by Zendetta; 4/17/2005 4:56pm, .
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Kungfoolss
                              Yes, communist governments have an excellent track record... if you can turn a blind eye to the loss of political and personal freedoms, a depressed economy, mass starvation, mass imprisonments and executions of political opponents, etc...
                              You forgot to mention "massive environmental degradation." Assuming you conservatives still care about that kind of thing.
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