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    A question for the dog people

    I've spoken of my dogs before... I have a 80 poung shepard/lab mix and a 75 pound full blood shepard. These are sweet dogs who have become part of the family. But they have one habit that is getting to be a real problem. When they are on leash they goes absolutely ape-shit if they see another dog... any dog regardless of size. We go hiking a lot in state parks around here. If we meet up with another dog on the trail I pretty much have to tackle these two to keep them from lunging after it. If a dog is not around they are well behaved, other than an annoying insistence on being at the front of the group.

    Notice I said they go after other dogs when they are on leash. that's what puzzles me. We have 'dog parks' around here which is about two acres fenced in. You can bring you dog out and let them run off leash. They can be 50 dogs there at one time, of all breeds and sizes. My dog have absolutely no problems in this environment and never cause any problems.

    Any ideas on how to fix this?

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    They are assuming, since you're keeping them near, that they have to protect you. Can you refigure 30 000 years of wolf/dog evolution? Mine does the same, and I've never been able to break him of it.
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      #3
      My 130 lb newf is bored around other dogs. . .he's still a puppy (14 months), and just looks at the other dogs like they would be of interest if they weren't so boring. If they are behind a fence, or are on a leash he'll walk right up to them, stop just out of reach, and sit there and watch them bark. On the other hand, when I walk him late at night, we go through a private fenced-in area that is about an acre of grassy heaven. I'll let him off the leash as I walk through. He'll sprint back and forth the width of the field the whole time it takes me to cross to the other side, just back and forth 3-5 feet in front of where I'm walking. Totally scary sight: 130lb rampaging mound of muscle. BUt he's just a silly softie inside. Damn crazy mutt!

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        #4
        Eh, my pup does something like that, but my older Britt starts to and then minds me when I tell her to settle down.

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        Does your dog heel and such in a normal situaion with minimal distractions? How 'bout with more distractions? Protectiong you is a natural instinct, but it can be less than pretty. Enough time, patience, and dedication can supercede most any natural instincts. Horses are a prime example, but I won't get into that. Basically, make sure your dog listens to you when there's not other dogs around, and then give 'im a job to do when he starts to go schitzo. No, I'm not on crack. Then again, my dogs weigh in at 35-40 pounds. :icon_mrgr

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          #5
          When all the dogs are off leash they're allowed to run around and chase each other. They're allowed to practice their canine social skills, dominance and submission. Your dogs are probably trying to do exactly what they always do, running and chasing, dominance and submission, except they haven't recognized that they're not suppose to behave this way, when they're leashed.

          I have 3 dogs, 2 siberian huskies, one black lab-greyhound mix. The huskies are fine, but the black lab-greyhound is a butthead. I can't walk her, except late at night, because she behaves exactly like your dogs. I'm hoping that she'll grow out of this crap, or simply become too old to care about it. Apparently you can train this out of your dogs, but it requires a lot of work and patience and consistent behavior modification with a choke chain and muzzle. I've owned 6 dogs over the past 20 years, and I'm afraid that I'm just not anal enough to train my dogs to do anything other than recognize to come play with me when I'm sad.

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            #6
            The newf's great most of the time when we're away from home. Running at full speed in the empty field is the best exercise for him (we've been doing it nightly, rain or shine, since he was six weeks old). As soon as we get to the other side, he'll stop at the opening in the fence, sit, and wait for his leash. It's at home he can be a little wacko. . .He'lll stand up atop out patio table so he can watch TV through he picture window. He's watched the kids run around until he can't stand it, and crashed through our front screen door wanting to play. He'll pull out the jealousie glass on the side of the house, and then stick his head in through the screen, just to say, "Hi!" And, he'll help my wife carry in groceries from the car, just in case she's bought him doggy snacks (which she usually has), ans will sit patiently in the kitchen while she puts the stuff away, until she brings out his snacks. He thinks he's a people!

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              #7
              Did you ever socialize your dogs on-leash when they were younger?

              Did you ever try putting them on-leash at the dog park after they had already played a bit with the other dogs off-leash?

              How much time do you spend working on basic commands?
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                #8
                Originally posted by tkdan28
                Any ideas on how to fix this?
                Two words: Choke Collar.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by punchingdummy
                  Two words: Choke Collar.

                  He wasn't asking about what you wear to the gay bar. What about his dogs?
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                    Dog people - I thought they were just a myth. Strange, terrible beasts... Half man, half mutt. They're their own best friends!
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                      #11
                      Don't get me started. My dog goes apeshit if anyone but me or my mom comes near it. But it doesn't attack anyone....just tried to coherse them into playing with him.

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                        #12
                        Knowing my newf would later be really huge, all the delivery guys (USPSMailman, FedEx, DHL, UPS) would bring him snacks since he was just a little guy (6-8 weeks), and play with him anytime they happened to be in the area. Now, when they come to the house, he sits patiently wagging his tail. LOL - I should teach him to sign for packages!

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                          #13
                          My dog is a really strong puller and since he is part Lab choke collars have virtually no effect. We got him a new type of halter last week and he stopped pulling immediately and with no training input. He used to tear your arm off to go after squirrels now it's the slightest tug then he slacks the leash and just whines at them. (He whines because he is trained not to bark.)

                          Check it out I highly recommend it: http://www.sporn.com/

                          PS I got mine at Petco.

                          PPS their website is acting a little funky right now.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by WhiteShark
                            My dog is a really strong puller and since he is part Lab choke collars have virtually no effect. We got him a new type of halter last week and he stopped pulling immediately and with no training input. He used to tear your arm off to go after squirrels now it's the slightest tug then he slacks the leash and just whines at them. (He whines because he is trained not to bark.)

                            Check it out I highly recommend it: .

                            Ah! Is that the Gentle Leader? We have had great results with that too. The Mrs. had no chance of walking our dog without it. He could easily pull her right off her feet with a regular leash.
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                              #15
                              No it's this one: http://www.sporn.com/category.cfm?Category=3

                              It's just called a Sporn training halter. The Gentle leader is different it is on the head only and I've had less success with it. My last dog for example hated it and never really stopped pulling.

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