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    Must everything be combat applicable??

    Traditional martial arts were not so much about fighting as some of the other more modern styles are. Some people today are just looking for combat effectiveness only, not discipline, values, and a good attitude. Those are the things that traditional training gives you, people who just want to learn how to hurt people frown on the more traditional type of training because there are things done to build character and discipline, that are not combat applicable, so they feel those things are a waste of time. That was one of the methods instructors used to weed out the ones who would abuse there skill, because they wont make it through the discipline and character tests, therefor showing the possibllity that they might abuse there skill because of lack of patience to learn a kata, getting it just right, saying yes sir, bowing before stepping on the mat, all those little things. They will get flustered and all pissy, if they get bent out of shape during that, how will they react in a bad situation that tests there fuse when they are capable of severely hurting another person?? Just because something is not combat applicable does not make it useless, any comments?

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    tl dr

    YES

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      #3
      Er, many traditional arts teach people to be over-confident assholes, and many reality-based ones teach people to be respectful...it has NOTHING to do with the art and EVERYTHING to do with the instructor.

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        Re: Must everything be combat applicable??

        Originally posted by DeLamar.J
        That was one of the methods instructors used to weed out the ones who would abuse there skill, because they wont make it through the discipline and character tests, therefor showing the possibllity that they might abuse there skill because of lack of patience to learn a kata, getting it just right, saying yes sir, bowing before stepping on the mat, all those little things. They will get flustered and all pissy, if they get bent out of shape during that, how will they react in a bad situation that tests there fuse when they are capable of severely hurting another person??
        This may have been true in feudal times (note: maybe, probably not, but maybe), but most people keep this nowadays for 1) "cultural" reasons and 2) the instructor likes people kissing his arse.

        Rarely is it simple respect alone.

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          #5
          if i ever get attacked i'm just going to shit myself to freak them out

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            #6
            there are things done to build character and discipline
            Such as?
            Originally posted by The Wastrel
            I think the forum's traditionally light-handed approach to moderation has become untenable.

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              #7
              Traditionally people trained martial arts to beat the shit out of / kill other people. Any other 'reasons' have been made up later to make them more 'acceptable' and 'less violent'.

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                #8
                traditionally people trained martial arts to get a job in caravan security

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Shumagorath
                  Such as?
                  Well, sex, drugs, alcohol and hitting kungfools with a stick with a nail on it.
                  Canuckyokushin:

                  These women can do back flips right over my head and still land on there feet .GRrrrrrrr!

                  feedback:

                  THAT'S NOTHING, I USED TO KNOW SOME 12 YEAR-OLDS WHO COULD FIT INSIDE A SUITCASE AND STAY ALIVE FOR 7 OR WAS IT 6 HOURS

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                    #10
                    That sounds like a sweet ass idea. I will guards caravans... err, or whatever the modern equivalent is. Uhh, yeah.
                    "Prison is for rapists, thieves and murderers. If you lock someone up for smoking a plant that makes them happy, you're the fucking criminal." - Joe Rogan

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                      #11
                      what the fuck does "tl dr" mean?

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                        #12
                        tl dr = too long, didn't read

                        i'd say that everything that's not combat applicable is bs and not worth learning.
                        however, discipline will help you in combat

                        and LLL's right, traditionally, most martial arts were for killing effectively. so, as a tma'er, you disgrace your heritage by not training to effectively kick the shit out of your opponent.

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                          Re: Must everything be combat applicable??

                          Originally posted by DeLamar.J
                          . . .lack of patience to learn a kata, getting it just right, saying yes sir, bowing before stepping on the mat, all those little things.
                          By definition, yes. They must be combat applicable.

                          As to your point referenced above? How are these things not combat applicable?

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                            #14
                            learning MA is only about fighting, learning KATA is there to help learn the techniques to help kick the shit out of people. The respect, bowing entering and leaving the mat, saying yes sir, bowing to sensei / senior students was about not having the instructor or senior students kick the shit out of them.
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                            After reading Jekyll's threads I bring back an old sig.......

                            Do you really train or just bore people on message boards and parties talking about it.

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                              #15
                              Dude, go learn flower arrangement or that tea ceremony shit if you want to build character and patience.

                              If you MA isn't combat effective, it's defective.

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