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    They all are buying the election, otherwise why fundraise?

    Jealousy...

    AP News: Rival Democrats accuse Bloomberg of trying to 'buy' election
    Rival Democrats accuse Bloomberg of trying to 'buy' election

    https://apnews.com/ce4244f755fc3cfa52f93597f66b05d3
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      Originally posted by Dung Beatles View Post
      So some people didn't like him. Boo hoo for hurt feelings. That's not a conspiracy or evidence of a conspiracy. Disliking someone is not evidence of wrongdoing or malfeasance or even bias. Bernie strikes me as the type of cat that spends all night squalling in the alleyway and then gets angry nobody left a saucer of milk out for him some sun rise.
      lol. This post directly applies to almost every one of your posts about Trump. You hate Trump and you either come up with or buy into every conspiracy theory you can find about Trump. All still based on your own hate of Trump. I should quote part of this in my sig as a response to all of your posts about Trump.
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        Originally posted by Diesel_tke View Post

        lol. This post directly applies to almost every one of your posts about Trump. You hate Trump and you either come up with or buy into every conspiracy theory you can find about Trump. All still based on your own hate of Trump. I should quote part of this in my sig as a response to all of your posts about Trump.
        Based on what I openly observed along with the rest of the American people.

        It's not a conspiracy theory when he's caught red handed.

        I openly distrust and question what he does because he has bad judgment and a history of self-dealing and fraud.
        Last edited by Dung Beatles; 2/17/2020 9:37am, .
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          Is it just that you guys don't understand the difference between criminal intent and not liking someone? is that it?

          I spend a lot of time around attorneys, former prosecutors and current defense attorneys because of my wife. Most of them are the of the rightwing variety for the same reason. Not one of them that I have spoken to think Trump is innocent of all charges, even the ones that voted for him and plan to again. At best, they think Trump doesn't understand the law and ignores the legal advice he is given because he doesn't believe he will be incarcerated.

          Edit: this appeal to authority is worthless and anecdotal. I know. It's not worth the digital paper it's printed on. But Jesus, shit, can you see that this guy tells you he's committing crimes, denies it during the scandal and as soon as it dies down admits he did exactly the thing he just told you he didn't do? He's done it so many fucking times. Hillary has many problems, but those DNC emails had ZERO criminal intent. Nothing unethical even because it's not unethical, illegal or immoral to dislike someone. It just "looks bad" and confirms the belief in a bias against that dipshit socialist who has been saying abrasive, out of touch things since we first saw him on the presidential primaries in 2008. Does anyone remember the Jode Cressbeckler skits from the onion? They were based on him and Ron Paul.

          Last edited by Dung Beatles; 2/17/2020 10:37am, .
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            And Jesus Christ, were these mother fuckers prescient or what?

            If I didn't know any better I'd think Trump used these as a road map for talking points on wind farms.

            Last edited by Dung Beatles; 2/17/2020 10:44am, .
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              Originally posted by Dung Beatles View Post
              Is it just that you guys don't understand the difference between criminal intent and not liking someone? is that it?

              I spend a lot of time around attorneys, former prosecutors and current defense attorneys because of my wife. Most of them are the of the rightwing variety for the same reason. Not one of them that I have spoken to think Trump is innocent of all charges, even the ones that voted for him and plan to again. At best, they think Trump doesn't understand the law and ignores the legal advice he is given because he doesn't believe he will be incarcerated.

              Edit: this appeal to authority is worthless and anecdotal. I know. It's not worth the digital paper it's printed on. But Jesus, shit, can you see that this guy tells you he's committing crimes, denies it during the scandal and as soon as it dies down admits he did exactly the thing he just told you he didn't do? He's done it so many fucking times. Hillary has many problems, but those DNC emails had ZERO criminal intent. Nothing unethical even because it's not unethical, illegal or immoral to dislike someone. It just "looks bad" and confirms the belief in a bias against that dipshit socialist who has been saying abrasive, out of touch things since we first saw him on the presidential primaries in 2008. Does anyone remember the Jode Cressbeckler skits from the onion? They were based on him and Ron Paul.

              When have you seen me defend Trumps actions? I haven't defended anything that he does that I believe is illegal. I just think it is fun to watch the Dems go on and on right now, when 4 years ago it was the Repubs going on and on, and for doing almost the exact same stuff.

              So Dems are freaking out right now for Trump's obstruction of justice when this happened right before Trump:

              https://pjmedia.com/trending/the-top...dministration/

              But most of your content against Trump has been how much you don't like him, don't respect him, don't like how he talks, don't like his character blah blah blah.
              Combatives training log.

              Gezere: paraphrase from Bas Rutten, Never escalate the level of violence in fight you are losing. :D

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              Pavel Tsatsouline: kettlebell workouts give you “cardio without the dishonour of aerobics”.

              "Disliking someone is not evidence of wrongdoing or malfeasance or even bias." --Dung Beatles

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                What crime?
                Carter Hargrave's Jeet Can't Do

                http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31636

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                  Originally posted by Diesel_tke View Post


                  But most of your content against Trump has been how much you don't like him, don't respect him, don't like how he talks, don't like his character blah blah blah.
                  I didn't mean to say you did.

                  Yes. I find him obnoxious and that's settled history. My point is that it's not paranoia to suspect someone of crime if they have a long history of crimes, lying about crimes and hinting strongly, if not saying explicitly, that they intend to subvert the law in the present day.

                  Is it really bias at that point or is it a convergence of fact and opinion?
                  "Pave the way for the little guy, Caligula!" Harry Solomon, September 28, 1999

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                    Bloomberg hints Hillary veep.

                    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/15/bloo...tt-drudge.html
                    Consider for a moment that there is no meme about brown-haired, brown-eyed step children.

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                      Originally posted by Dung Beatles View Post

                      I didn't mean to say you did.

                      Yes. I find him obnoxious and that's settled history. My point is that it's not paranoia to suspect someone of crime if they have a long history of crimes, lying about crimes and hinting strongly, if not saying explicitly, that they intend to subvert the law in the present day.

                      Is it really bias at that point or is it a convergence of fact and opinion?
                      I guess the difference between me and you is that I assume everyone is committing crimes. You hyperfocus on Trump while I'm looking all around at everyone equally. I mean you see crime at every level of every organization from every demographic of every human. I guess theoretically Trump's "crimes" could make him less qualified than all these other politicians crimes. Because let's be real, they are all doing them.
                      Combatives training log.

                      Gezere: paraphrase from Bas Rutten, Never escalate the level of violence in fight you are losing. :D

                      Drum thread

                      Pavel Tsatsouline: kettlebell workouts give you “cardio without the dishonour of aerobics”.

                      "Disliking someone is not evidence of wrongdoing or malfeasance or even bias." --Dung Beatles

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                        Originally posted by hungryjoe View Post
                        What crime?
                        So this gets to the heart of the matter.

                        Fraud at Trump U.

                        The curious case of the missing inauguration fund money: pending

                        Contempt of Congress: minor but worth mentioning that this is what stands between knowing his guilty and his potential exoneration. Speculative but if he could prove he was innocent, why not do so? Even Obama released his birth certificate eventually and that was screwball from the beginning.

                        Witness tampering and intimidation during the House Hearings re Marie Yovanovitch.

                        Campaign finance law violation vis a vis soliciting interference from Ukraine and the Stormy Daniels payoff.

                        Hatch Act violation by employing State Department employees to coordinate with his private attorney for his own political gain. That is the entire purpose of the Hatch act.

                        Honest Services Fraud, "Honest services fraud occurs when a public official breaches his duty to act in the best interests of his constituents by performing an official act in exchange for personal gain", regarding seeking political gain from Ukraine.

                        Impoundment Act Violation by withholding funds from Ukraine.

                        Obstruction of Justice re the Mueller probe. There's not even a question of fact, it's merely a question of the DOJ memo not to indict or even gather evidence to indict. Mueller also said there'd be nothing to stop such an inquiry after Trump's term expires and so far nobody has produced evidence to the contrary beyond the usual political spin. Note, I'm not invoking politicians or opinion pieces. I'm invoking the actual law vs what Trump is already known to have done. Bias doesn't count for shit, the letter of the law is what matters.

                        Trump was already impeached, so a pardon is no guarantee anymore that he skates but politically, it would look bad to prosecute him even though there is evidence he did commit the crimes. Politics though does not make any of this makes this shit OK.

                        The danger of prosecuting Nixon was the same as currently prosecuting Trump, however letting him off the hook while he's in office is even more dangerous. Why people can't see that is a matter of their own bias. Murphy's Law states whatever can go wrong, will go wrong. That doesn't mean you have to be paranoid, it means you need to minimize the potential damage by minimizing the chance of catastrophe which is why we have background checks for high security jobs. That doesn't mean every guy with bad credit or a history of crimes will betray his obligation, but there's an increased risk associated with it; I would say that risk is compounded if he feels impervious to repercussion or feels emboldened to break the rules for his own benefit.
                        "Pave the way for the little guy, Caligula!" Harry Solomon, September 28, 1999

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                          Originally posted by Dung Beatles View Post

                          So this gets to the heart of the matter.

                          Fraud at Trump U.

                          The curious case of the missing inauguration fund money: pending

                          Contempt of Congress: minor but worth mentioning that this is what stands between knowing his guilty and his potential exoneration. Speculative but if he could prove he was innocent, why not do so? Even Obama released his birth certificate eventually and that was screwball from the beginning.

                          Witness tampering and intimidation during the House Hearings re Marie Yovanovitch.

                          Campaign finance law violation vis a vis soliciting interference from Ukraine and the Stormy Daniels payoff.

                          Hatch Act violation by employing State Department employees to coordinate with his private attorney for his own political gain. That is the entire purpose of the Hatch act.

                          Honest Services Fraud, "Honest services fraud occurs when a public official breaches his duty to act in the best interests of his constituents by performing an official act in exchange for personal gain", regarding seeking political gain from Ukraine.

                          Impoundment Act Violation by withholding funds from Ukraine.

                          Obstruction of Justice re the Mueller probe. There's not even a question of fact, it's merely a question of the DOJ memo not to indict or even gather evidence to indict. Mueller also said there'd be nothing to stop such an inquiry after Trump's term expires and so far nobody has produced evidence to the contrary beyond the usual political spin. Note, I'm not invoking politicians or opinion pieces. I'm invoking the actual law vs what Trump is already known to have done. Bias doesn't count for shit, the letter of the law is what matters.

                          Trump was already impeached, so a pardon is no guarantee anymore that he skates but politically, it would look bad to prosecute him even though there is evidence he did commit the crimes. Politics though does not make any of this makes this shit OK.

                          The danger of prosecuting Nixon was the same as currently prosecuting Trump, however letting him off the hook while he's in office is even more dangerous. Why people can't see that is a matter of their own bias. Murphy's Law states whatever can go wrong, will go wrong. That doesn't mean you have to be paranoid, it means you need to minimize the potential damage by minimizing the chance of catastrophe which is why we have background checks for high security jobs. That doesn't mean every guy with bad credit or a history of crimes will betray his obligation, but there's an increased risk associated with it; I would say that risk is compounded if he feels impervious to repercussion or feels emboldened to break the rules for his own benefit.
                          Should have been impeached for all that? But wasn't?

                          You left out Emoluments Clause.

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                          "You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS

                          "The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake

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                            Originally posted by submessenger View Post
                            Aren't people supposed to get someone further away from themselves politically to balance the ticket? Two right of center democrats on one ticket almost guarantees fractious party infighting with the hard left crew. Not that I want to see a VP Yang/Sanders but at least pick a guy like Corey Booker.
                            "Pave the way for the little guy, Caligula!" Harry Solomon, September 28, 1999

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                              Originally posted by BKR View Post

                              Should have been impeached for all that? But wasn't?

                              You left out Emoluments Clause.
                              Edit: He was impeached for some of that, just wasn't convicted.

                              My reasoning : Crimes and obfuscation that demonstrate he's unfit for office. There really isn't such a thing as an impeachable crime under criminal law since impeachment is a political process with no substantive definition. Technically anything is and is not an impeachable offense according to the US Constitution; it's entirely subjective to the will of congress as was demonstrated recently.

                              Edit 2: This doesn't mean he didn't break the law. It only means he wasn't held accountable yet or by congress when they had the chance.
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                                Originally posted by Dung Beatles View Post

                                Edit: He was impeached for some of that, just wasn't convicted.

                                My reasoning : Crimes and obfuscation that demonstrate he's unfit for office. There really isn't such a thing as an impeachable crime under criminal law since impeachment is a political process with no substantive definition. Technically anything is and is not an impeachable offense according to the US Constitution; it's entirely subjective to the will of congress as was demonstrated recently.

                                Edit 2: This doesn't mean he didn't break the law. It only means he wasn't held accountable yet or by congress when they had the chance.
                                So, you're saying that he hasn't been convicted of a crime?
                                Combatives training log.

                                Gezere: paraphrase from Bas Rutten, Never escalate the level of violence in fight you are losing. :D

                                Drum thread

                                Pavel Tsatsouline: kettlebell workouts give you “cardio without the dishonour of aerobics”.

                                "Disliking someone is not evidence of wrongdoing or malfeasance or even bias." --Dung Beatles

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