Iran War now? Yea or nay?

[ghost55]

How many days do you think before exxon would be running the oil wells in Iran if they keep up their shit?

I say lights out on all infrastructure in 7 days and the wells are back exporting in 30 days with a red white and blue upc on the barrels.

Bold of you to think we wouldn't give the contract to Halliburton. Just like last time.

[W. Rabbit]

ETA: lol @ Trump being responsible for that IRGC private using the Uncle Jimbo South Park defense on that commercial airliner.

Uncle Jimbo vs deer is right.

Trump's not responsible for firing the missile, but he definitely shares responsibility for the tensions that led to it.

"52 sites", remember? Because that's exactly what was on Uncle Jimbo's mind when he disabled the safety features on his weapon platform. "Am I one of the 52?"

Maybe just maybe Cheeto needs to tone down his inner bone spurred chickenhawk a bit.

[W. Rabbit]

Iran is claiming that their triggerman thought it was a cruise missile and fired after failing to get confirmation.

If that's actually true then I have seriously scaled back my estimation of Iran's ability to fight a modern military. Can't tell a inbound cruise missile from an outbound 737?
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Most likely young, brash, and tightly wound, wishing for the Supreme Leader and Allah to witness his act. On the radar screen, without IFF, they're all bogeys.

Oops. Or just scared shitless of Americans and convinced a cruise missile was coming to kill him.

Seriously Iran hasn't fought a real war since the first time I saw The Empire Strikes back in theaters. Their gear is old and their troops young and inexperienced. Their military is still the 14th strongest. That SA-15 is still as lethal as it was when they bought it.

[W. Rabbit]

I was right that it was shot down. That fact is undeniable. Admit it. Do it. Admit that I was right and you were wrong.

Nobody in the thread was wrong except you, because nobody jumped to a certain conclusion but you, and nobody posted misinformation (Twitter pics) but you.

Nobody here said it wasn't shot down, or that it couldn't have been Iran. Practically everyone, including me, were open to many possibilities, because we had so little evidence (and your evidence was, shall we say, flawed).

Once you calm down and go reflect on the thread, you'll realize everyone else was examining the available evidence and refining deduction through process of elimination.

You on the other hand knew it was Ms. Scarlett, in the Library, with the Revolver.

You clearly have never played Clue. But now it's played you. Well done, Padawan. You want credit? Here's an internet fist bump.

[BKR]

It wasn't an accident that guided missile cruiser shot down that airliner, either. No way, no how. The captain of the ship told them to launch...

And I didn't even read the wiki article, lol. I remember that shit, armageddon was a comin, and I was a gonna get drafted.

So I went and read the DOD report on the USS Vincennes incident with flight 635.

Very interesting read, I suggest you all take a look at it.

I admit that upon reading the circumstances and context of the incident, I right away thought "Iran sent that airliner into the area to be shot down".

Maybe that's my bias toward devious thinking, and it can't be proven one way or the other.

[BKR]

How many days do you think before exxon would be running the oil wells in Iran if they keep up their shit?

I say lights out on all infrastructure in 7 days and the wells are back exporting in 30 days with a red white and blue upc on the barrels.

We (the US) does not need their oil.

Pick another evil multinational oil company. Maybe the French one...yeah, my money would be on TOTAL.

We are not going to invade Iran. That's a fool's errand.

[BKR]

It wasn't an accident that guided missile cruiser shot down that airliner, either. No way, no how. The captain of the ship told them to launch...

And I didn't even read the wiki article, lol. I remember that shit, armageddon was a comin, and I was a gonna get drafted.

http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/reading_room/172.pdf

[goodlun]

How many days do you think before exxon would be running the oil wells in Iran if they keep up their shit?

I say lights out on all infrastructure in 7 days and the wells are back exporting in 30 days with a red white and blue upc on the barrels.

A lot longer than you think. Occupation is costly. That is when you get into the horrors of asymmetrical warfare, that asymmetrical aspect is what makes the US look to be less effective than it really is. The conventional portion of a war would be relatively quick but all the shit after that phases, years. That said Exxon can move in during that phase so who knows. Can we make Exxon pay the military contractors/mercenaries to protect their assets?

[Raycetpfl]

How many days do you think before exxon would be running the oil wells in Iran if they keep up their shit?

I say lights out on all infrastructure in 7 days and the wells are back exporting in 30 days with a red white and blue upc on the barrels.

[BKR]

The irony is they did it to themselves this time and we did it to them back in the 80s IIRC.

Edit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

It wasn't an accident that guided missile cruiser shot down that airliner, either. No way, no how. The captain of the ship told them to launch...

And I didn't even read the wiki article, lol. I remember that shit, armageddon was a comin, and I was a gonna get drafted.

[Michael Tzadok]

Iran is claiming that their triggerman thought it was a cruise missile and fired after failing to get confirmation.

If that's actually true then I have seriously scaled back my estimation of Iran's ability to fight a modern military. Can't tell a inbound cruise missile from an outbound 737?

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I don't know enough about radar in general, and 80's era Soviet radar in specific to be able to accurately judge the veracity of claim. However, from the knowledge that I do have working around an advanced AA battery on the Northern Border, there are a couple of things that will play into that.

1)Quality of the gear. In this case we are talking cold war Soviet, so not great.
2)On site intel. Technically speaking the guys running those batteries should know civilian transponder codes and designated flight paths.
3)Level of Radar operator training. Even civilian models of radar from the 80s and 90s gave relative size of cross section and velocity, relative vector and size of cross section. To identify between a mortar, artillery shell, rocket, ballistic missile, cruise missile, military fighter, and commercial airline all takes training. When it comes to the real thing it all happens real fast. Remember a Soviet SU-15 pilot visually identified, fired warning shots and then downed KAL 007 fully believing to be a US military plane. Then remember that those are the guys that trained the Iranians.

So it is possible that it was a total accident. How that reflects on Iran's ability to fight a modern war... well the US and Israel both have a definite technological advantage. I wouldn't bet on the Saudis in a toe to toe with them though.

[It is Fake]

Iran is claiming that their triggerman thought it was a cruise missile and fired after failing to get confirmation.

If that's actually true then I have seriously scaled back my estimation of Iran's ability to fight a modern military. Can't tell a inbound cruise missile from an outbound 737?

I

The irony is they did it to themselves this time and we did it to them back in the 80s IIRC.

Edit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

Yes, this is why I wasn’t worried or numb to the “OMG the news has me freaked, when’s the Draft, WW3” people were spouting. I’ve heard the same shit for 30 years now.

[It is Fake]

[Dung Beatles]

It typically isnt possible in most Western countries where civilian transponder codes are fed into the network. An unfortunate incident in 1983 with a Korea Air flight caused that.

Iran is claiming that their triggerman thought it was a cruise missile and fired after failing to get confirmation.

If that's actually true then I have seriously scaled back my estimation of Iran's ability to fight a modern military. Can't tell a inbound cruise missile from an outbound 737?

I

[It is Fake]

Bold of you to assume I'll live to be 45.

Bold was acting like your age was 55. Shhhhhhh....... I remember.........