Iran War now? Yea or nay?

[W. Rabbit]

Somehow I doubt you would be convinced even if you had a window seat during the impact.

Upon impact, they were all window seats.

[Bneterasedmynam]

Upon impact, they were all window seats.

[It is Fake]

Turning back was a pilot error. It most certainly ended any chance of saving anyone on board. The pilot clearly panicked on that one(assuming he had the 11k hours that the Ukraine claimed) he should have been well beyond that mistake. As far as how it was able, that is going to depend on what kind of AA it was. I'm still doubting a TOR, as I've seen them take off half an F15(F15 was still able to land though, video below). Civilian aircraft, while not armored, are large and tend to have a lot more redundancy built in than military craft. So if it was only one missile/rocket depending on impact zone, it is a possibility.

No. I work in the airline industry and can talk to pilots on daily. This is WAAAAAAAAY to simplistic and you have no idea if it was a mistake, pilot error, if the pilot panicked or why he turned back.

[Michael Tzadok]

No. I work in the airline industry and can talk to pilots on daily. This is WAAAAAAAAY to simplistic and you have no idea if it was a mistake, pilot error, if the pilot panicked or why he turned back.

My inlaws own an airport and flight school in WA St. What I do know is that turning bleeds airspeed, which is essential to stable flight, and on a severely damaged plane trying to 360+ degree turn is almost never considered a good idea. I also know that trying to turn back is the leading cause of death on takeoff related incidents. So unless you have something more than you work win the industry, at the very least the decision didn't help anything and quite probably prevented a rough touch down that may have saved lives.

[goodlun]

Somehow I doubt you would be convinced even if you had a window seat during the impact.

I am actually way easier to convince than you think, I am just waiting for everything to play out and asking questions. I actually suspect upon investigation a sufficient quantity of those will be answered. The US is actually really good about providing proof instead of just saying trust us.
So we will see. I don't have an unusual distrust of the US government.

[goodlun]

No. I work in the airline industry and can talk to pilots on daily. This is WAAAAAAAAY to simplistic and you have no idea if it was a mistake, pilot error, if the pilot panicked or why he turned back.

The why is the weird one.
Could be that they did fire two missiles the 1st one completely missed and that caused him to turn back.
That right their is the height of my speculation and conjecture.

[goodlun]

There's a very small chance the video is a deep fake, because sadly, that's a thing now. But the acoustics have convinced me it's real, based on timing.

It is a thing, has any pulled any sort of meta data out of the video?
Acoustic timing doesn't seem to be that hard, a harder sell is they went through the trouble of perfectly lining up the shot. Impressive if it is a fake.
However very do able also, them people at Langley do know what they are doing.
You put an asset on the ground the next morning film where you should then add in rocket sounds and explosion. All of that has become stupid easy to do.

[W. Rabbit]

It is a thing, has any pulled any sort of meta data out of the video?
Acoustic timing doesn't seem to be that hard, a harder sell is they went through the trouble of perfectly lining up the shot. Impressive if it is a fake.
However very do able also, them people at Langley do know what they are doing.
You put an asset on the ground the next morning film where you should then add in rocket sounds and explosion. All of that has become stupid easy to do.

Have you watched the videos that have come out of Al-Asad etc? They were spooked, for sure.

This is why. It also explains why the US would have known what Iranian missile radar tracking was up when the plane went down.

Way to go, NSA.

Intel warned of ground assault on al-Asad airbase: Report
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...irbase-report/

[It is Fake]

My inlaws own an airport and flight school in WA St. What I do know is that turning bleeds airspeed, which is essential to stable flight, and on a severely damaged plane trying to 360+ degree turn is almost never considered a good idea. I also know that trying to turn back is the leading cause of death on takeoff related incidents. So unless you have something more than you work win the industry, at the very least the decision didn't help anything and quite probably prevented a rough touch down that may have saved lives.

The irony. You, your in-laws and I have no idea what happened. That’s my point.

You talked about redundancy and other things. Then you compared it to an F-15. That and the panicked comment irritated me because he may have been told to come back, cargo shifting creates problems, explosive decompression on an on and on. I like to call passenger planes Fragile tanks. They take all types of beatings and survive, but you hit one small area and it can lead to a catastrophic failure.

Okay, my bad, let me humor your irritation to my appeal to authority. I work for one of the top three largest Airlines in the world. I work on 737-800s, 787s, 319 and 321 Neo. I used to load the regional jets back in the day. Pilots say something is wrong, me and others go investigate it and figure out the problem. Been in the industry closing in on 20 years. Working on my certs to actually be fully trained as an engine mechanic.

Make sure you understand, I called out your word usage of panicked and pilot error. Why that makes you appeal to your in-laws I have no idea.

[W. Rabbit]

My inlaws own an airport and flight school in WA St. What I do know is that turning bleeds airspeed, which is essential to stable flight, and on a severely damaged plane trying to 360+ degree turn is almost never considered a good idea. I also know that trying to turn back is the leading cause of death on takeoff related incidents. So unless you have something more than you work win the industry, at the very least the decision didn't help anything and quite probably prevented a rough touch down that may have saved lives.

You know what else bleeds airspeed?

A big hole in the plane.

[goodlun]

Have you watched the videos that have come out of Al-Asad etc? They were spooked, for sure.

This is why. It also explains why the US would have known what Iranian missile radar tracking was up when the plane went down.

Way to go, NSA.

Intel warned of ground assault on al-Asad airbase: Report
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...irbase-report/

No I had not watched that one, I still find the capabilities to know if Iranian missile radar tracking is up or not, to be interesting.
It is not an easy feat at all.
Even with a phased array antenna its hard to collect up enough energy to tell without being pointed directly at a source.....and I mean directly inline.
It makes me once again think we need to truly start worrying about tempest style attacks.

[submessenger]

It is a thing, has any pulled any sort of meta data out of the video?
Acoustic timing doesn't seem to be that hard, a harder sell is they went through the trouble of perfectly lining up the shot. Impressive if it is a fake.
However very do able also, them people at Langley do know what they are doing.
You put an asset on the ground the next morning film where you should then add in rocket sounds and explosion. All of that has become stupid easy to do.

Meh, the tools to accomplish this are freely available and well understood. I could do a passable fake for this in under a day's work, and most of that time is really just waiting for the renders to complete and assemble.

[It is Fake]

No I had not watched that one, I still find the capabilities to know if Iranian missile radar tracking is up or not, to be interesting.
It is not an easy feat at all.
Even with a phased array antenna its hard to collect up enough energy to tell without being pointed directly at a source.....and I mean directly inline.
It makes me once again think we need to truly start worrying about tempest style attacks.

See, I always find this interesting. My sister was an analyst in the region. The one thing I learned, we still continue to discuss it, is how much information is kept from contractors and the public. Also, how much they perpetuate lies about the backwardness of other countries.

[Bneterasedmynam]

I am actually way easier to convince than you think, I am just waiting for everything to play out and asking questions. I actually suspect upon investigation a sufficient quantity of those will be answered. The US is actually really good about providing proof instead of just saying trust us.
So we will see. I don't have an unusual distrust of the US government.

I get why you are skeptical, with all the misinformation that's constantly being circulated it's often difficult to believe anything being reported. But it's more fun to try and stir the pot.

[W. Rabbit]

No I had not watched that one, I still find the capabilities to know if Iranian missile radar tracking is up or not, to be interesting.
It is not an easy feat at all.
Even with a phased array antenna its hard to collect up enough energy to tell without being pointed directly at a source.....and I mean directly inline.
It makes me once again think we need to truly start worrying about tempest style attacks.

Well...um..

Don't forget that we have infiltrated Iran's computer systems on multiple levels. NSA sees their texts, dude. Who needs radiation..

I don't think it's a secret we are all up in their shit, which is why they are up in ours.