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Originally posted by goodlun View PostThey can, but some things that still don't quite line up for me.
I am not trying to be obstinate here I am plenty willing to admit I am wrong when I am wrong.
I am certainly more along the spectrum that flight might have been targeted for some reason.
Questions that I would like resolved and will get resolved with more time durning investigation.
If hit by an Anti-Aircraft missile while climbing how was it able to try and turn back towards the airport and crash facing the airport a good distance away from impact.
Why this air craft and not any others in the sky at the time.
Why would an AA missile site be right there and why would operators whom have been watching air craft take off and land over and over again make an error.
What possible benefit does targeting that plane give anyone?
These are all things that need to be answered.
Was this the only aircraft in the sky at the time? FlightRadar24 and a few other tracking sites show three departures scheduled for that time. I forgot to check arrivals. So it doesn't seem to have been the only one.
As far as why AA would be around an airport... many small middle eastern countries have "duel use" airports. Meaning that their airport is both for civilian and military use, thus making it a legit military target. So protect what you built.
No clue why they would target a civilian plane.
Originally posted by hungryjoe View Posti
Watching an earlier program, analysis was possible Iranian AA stating that if on auto, the system wouldn't necessarily need human response to send. Got to be fake news though, cause FOX.
Right???
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Originally posted by BKR View PostA lot of them were Iranian professors teaching in Canada...
To me, it's just further proof that this was a screw up. Why would the Iranians want to kill their own academics whether or not they were working on foreign soil? That's a damn good paycheck in Iran.
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We shall see footage could still be a hoax(not saying it is), no running lights on the Airplane (might by to far away), but the most curious thing to me is this looks like cellphone footage as opposed to security can(could also be mistaken), it begs the question why someone would be filming that bit of sky at 6 am.
It's certainly possible that it's a legit video.
Also have any day photos been released showing an AA battery in the proximity?
Any reports from pilots that saw a missile on their radars?
I don't want to be conspiratorial myself but look at the players that are involved in setting the narrative and who stands to gain from it. This also applied to Irans narrative I am my saying I believe them either.
It is looking more likely the plane was shot down but I am still reserving some judgement due to the expected play books in this situation.
So I ask my self, what would I need to see to believe it beyond a reasonable doubt?
At this point two things expect VFX analysis of the footage.
Verifiable sat images of AA assets in range at the time.
Then I would be pretty convinced.
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Originally posted by BKR View PostYou are just not evil enough.
I can't say I don't stray from it but I almost always regret it.
"If you can't forgive someone, forget it as soon as possible". That's another good one.
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Originally posted by goodlun View Postit begs the question why someone would be filming that bit of sky at 6 am.
Also may have looked different in person because he was filming on a shitty cell phone camera not designed to take good long distance shots. Like every time I have tried to take a good morning shot of Mt Baker on my drive into work on a beautiful morning. It looks like the mountain is much further away than it did from my actual view.
It's all hearsay until we get the facts though.
Iran News is claiming that isn't a missile in the video but the plane itself on fire.
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Originally posted by Dung Beatles View PostSomeone on twitter said that the guy started filming because there was another missile before that one or maybe because it was the night of a big conflict with the US and he couldn't sleep, saw something in the sky and wanted to record it out of curiosity.
Also may have looked different in person because he was filming on a shitty cell phone camera not designed to take good long distance shots. Like every time I have tried to take a good morning shot of Mt Baker on my drive into work on a beautiful morning. It looks like the mountain is much further away than it did from my actual view.
It's all hearsay until we get the facts though.
Iran News is claiming that isn't a missile in the video but the plane itself on fire.
Not buying that at this point. SAMs have a very distinct look, here see these.
Speed, track, explosion all of it looks like a SAM impact.
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Originally posted by Dung Beatles View PostSomeone on twitter said that the guy started filming because there was another missile before that one or maybe because it was the night of a big conflict with the US and he couldn't sleep, saw something in the sky and wanted to record it out of curiosity.
Also may have looked different in person because he was filming on a shitty cell phone camera not designed to take good long distance shots. Like every time I have tried to take a good morning shot of Mt Baker on my drive into work on a beautiful morning. It looks like the mountain is much further away than it did from my actual view.
It's all hearsay until we get the facts though.
Iran News is claiming that isn't a missile in the video but the plane itself on fire.
Then, about 10 seconds later you hear the explosive concussion wave once it reaches the phone holder.
There's a very small chance the video is a deep fake, because sadly, that's a thing now. But the acoustics have convinced me it's real, based on timing.Last edited by W. Rabbit; 1/10/2020 7:39am, .
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Originally posted by Dung Beatles View PostSomeone on twitter said that the guy started filming because there was another missile before that one or maybe because it was the night of a big conflict with the US and he couldn't sleep, saw something in the sky and wanted to record it out of curiosity.
Also may have looked different in person because he was filming on a shitty cell phone camera not designed to take good long distance shots. Like every time I have tried to take a good morning shot of Mt Baker on my drive into work on a beautiful morning. It looks like the mountain is much further away than it did from my actual view.
It's all hearsay until we get the facts though.
Iran News is claiming that isn't a missile in the video but the plane itself on fire.
First message gets through to control "tell them to come back now"
The plane starts to turn .
During this time the military operating separately from the airport and desperately start communicating among themselves which results in a missile going launched which missed.
Dude pulls out his camera.
Something something Iranian military, two more go off and hit the plane.
Canada probably know exactly who they wanted hence being so sure it was shot down.
Hows that Ghost?
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Originally posted by goodlun View PostWe shall see footage could still be a hoax(not saying it is), no running lights on the Airplane (might by to far away), but the most curious thing to me is this looks like cellphone footage as opposed to security can(could also be mistaken), it begs the question why someone would be filming that bit of sky at 6 am.
It's certainly possible that it's a legit video.
Also have any day photos been released showing an AA battery in the proximity?
Any reports from pilots that saw a missile on their radars?
I don't want to be conspiratorial myself but look at the players that are involved in setting the narrative and who stands to gain from it. This also applied to Irans narrative I am my saying I believe them either.
It is looking more likely the plane was shot down but I am still reserving some judgement due to the expected play books in this situation.
So I ask my self, what would I need to see to believe it beyond a reasonable doubt?
At this point two things expect VFX analysis of the footage.
Verifiable sat images of AA assets in range at the time.
Then I would be pretty convinced.
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