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    Funny enough, and yes the video is still crappy no matter what your eyes tell you, the acoustic analysis of this is pretty open and shut.

    To be blunt, I sure think I hear the sound of a solid fuel rocket.

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      Originally posted by goodlun View Post
      Should be noted that the reuters information comes from Canadian security source's. They do not have the same capacity as the US but they also don't have the same political motivation to cast Iran in a negative light.
      So it is very interesting.
      This is certainly far from a case closed sort of situation.
      They also have a motive to get to the bottom of it because, if I read correctly, somewhere around 60-something passengers on the flight were Canadian nationals.
      "Pave the way for the little guy, Caligula!" Harry Solomon, September 28, 1999

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        Originally posted by goodlun View Post
        Do you have a non-paywall version?
        Yes, it's called go there without using privacy mode.

        Short short version, it's somebody's back yard phone video, from maybe few miles away?

        There's a visible streak of some sort, and bright impact, and then off camera the sound of an explosion. So given the speed of sound I'm guessing the final sound is the projectile impact reaching the viewer after traveling about 2-3 miles.

        According to the timeline the plane would stay airborne for at least another 2m
        Last edited by W. Rabbit; 1/09/2020 4:07pm, .

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          Originally posted by Diesel_tke View Post
          We already established in another thread that evil doesn't exist. So....
          This is exactly where my mind went.



          "Pave the way for the little guy, Caligula!" Harry Solomon, September 28, 1999

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            Originally posted by Dung Beatles View Post
            Well, I'm not ruling out an incompetent idiot with too much firepower but revenge is a funny thing to a bigot. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a little bit of both. Too angry to see straight so someone didn't do his due diligence to confirm the target and as a result a lot of innocent people died.
            The guy had been in power for a very long time. You don't stay in power unless you act deliberately with the intention to stay in power. His actions are always calculated. So not make the mistake to think he is dumb or driven by emotion.
            Of the single rapier fight between valiant men, having both skill, he that is the best wrestler, or if neither of them can wrestle, the strongest man most commonly kills the other, or leaves him at his mercy.
            –George Silver, Paradoxes of Defence

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              Originally posted by goodlun View Post
              The guy had been in power for a very long time. You don't stay in power unless you act deliberately with the intention to stay in power. His actions are always calculated. So not make the mistake to think he is dumb or driven by emotion.
              Oh, I was assuming this didn't go up the latter very far. This seems like a field level cock up rather than an executive order from high up the command chain.
              "Pave the way for the little guy, Caligula!" Harry Solomon, September 28, 1999

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                This is one of my favorite movies and one of my wife's least favorite.

                A couple police cars were parked outside my neighbor's house Monday and I was all curious about why.

                She turned to me and called me "Burbs Boy".

                She's crafty like that.

                Originally posted by Dung Beatles View Post
                This is exactly where my mind went.



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                  Originally posted by Dung Beatles View Post
                  Oh, I was assuming this didn't go up the latter very far. This seems like a field level cock up rather than an executive order from high up the command chain.
                  That sounds like a good way to get a bullet to the back of the head....
                  Of the single rapier fight between valiant men, having both skill, he that is the best wrestler, or if neither of them can wrestle, the strongest man most commonly kills the other, or leaves him at his mercy.
                  –George Silver, Paradoxes of Defence

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                    So since there is now evidence that some sort of solid fuel device hit the plane, NOW I'm gonna start building my theory.

                    The Tor is designed to destroy armored military targets. Rabbi T pointed out the payload purpose. Its a directional charge intended to pierce a target and kill or disable.

                    So it should, in theory, blow straight through a 737 fuselage like a bullet through aluminum. Which would, in theory, limit explosive damage to the aircraft enough to not cause a hard kill, but still a catastrophic loss of cabin pressure, fire, and ultimately a crash..

                    Accident? I still don't buy that part.
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                      Originally posted by goodlun View Post
                      That sounds like a good way to get a bullet to the back of the head....
                      I think that's a given if it really was brought down by Iran.

                      Almost the entire flight was ethnic Iranian so I'm pretty sure the guy that fucked this up is going to fucking fry for it one way or another. Even if Iran never talks about it, there's just too many dead. Someone is going to pay for it whether Iran owns up to it publicly or not. I saw a partial list of names and it's all Iranian families and students. Maybe some non-Iranians but, Jesus f'n shit.

                      That's a fuck ton of tragedy right there.
                      "Pave the way for the little guy, Caligula!" Harry Solomon, September 28, 1999

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                        Originally posted by Dung Beatles View Post
                        I think that's a given if it really was brought down by Iran.

                        Almost the entire flight was ethnic Iranian so I'm pretty sure the guy that fucked this up is going to fucking fry for it one way or another. Even if Iran never talks about it, there's just too many dead. Someone is going to pay for it whether Iran owns up to it publicly or not. I saw a partial list of names and it's all Iranian families and students. Maybe some non-Iranians but, Jesus f'n shit.

                        That's a fuck ton of tragedy right there.
                        According to the citizenship numbers only half were Iranian citizens. 147 had some sort of Iranian link. Like I said, 36% were Canadian citizens, only some of whom held dual citizenship. In total there were 30+ non-Iranians on board.

                        I would not go by surnames, lists, etc. Iranians and non Iranians do marry and share names etc.

                        Not to mention, a lot of the info coming from the Iranian govt. right now is suspect, especially the bullshit from their civil aviation authority.

                        Who here remembers "Baghdad Bob"?
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                          Originally posted by W. Rabbit View Post
                          Accident? I still don't buy that part.
                          Purely purposeful, I don't buy it.

                          This was a fuck up. Even crazy fucks like Qaddafi wouldn't blow up a plane filled with his own civilians.
                          "Pave the way for the little guy, Caligula!" Harry Solomon, September 28, 1999

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                            Originally posted by Dung Beatles View Post
                            Purely purposeful, I don't buy it.

                            This was a fuck up. Even crazy fucks like Qaddafi wouldn't blow up a plane filled with his own civilians.
                            Depends on who you assume the attacker was.

                            I would not assume it was the Iranian military without some attribution.

                            There is claim a radar lock was detected. But from who and where? One thing is clear from the video...the streak does not come from the direction of the airport, but from the opposite direction. So again, why would an Iranian battery believe this was an incoming threat? They would know from radar it had just left Tehran.

                            Terrorists have access to Tor systems too. And they don't give a fuck about shooting down jets full of innocent people flying away from Tehran.

                            My money is on terrorist missile attacks, timed to correspond with the US/Iranian missile fight.
                            Last edited by W. Rabbit; 1/09/2020 4:43pm, .

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                              You guys are looking at the death of General Soleimani all wrong.

                              I view it as a very late term abortion.

                              I remain, Pro-Choice.

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                                Originally posted by W. Rabbit View Post
                                Terrorists have access to Tor systems too.
                                That is a claim your going to have to back up. Especially considering geography and weapon ranges. Your not moving a for deep enough into Iran to be that close to Tehran.
                                You all act like there are not serious limitations to AA
                                Of the single rapier fight between valiant men, having both skill, he that is the best wrestler, or if neither of them can wrestle, the strongest man most commonly kills the other, or leaves him at his mercy.
                                –George Silver, Paradoxes of Defence

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